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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and uh we have a great

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guest

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this evening i actually had to do a

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for this guest just because of the

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scheduling and

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a lot of people were excited i had linda

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coming up but she has been bumped she's

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happily bumped over to

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august 4th so she'll be coming up as our

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as our guest now michael schratt

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you've seen him on a lot of tv programs

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he is a

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private pilot aviation historian

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and he's been investigating the ufo

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encounters for

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over 25 years and he's meticulously

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reviewed a minimum of get this 50

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000 cases that were preserved

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over at kufo's center for the ufo

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studies

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those archives are in chicago we're

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about um how he got access to that

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um it's in his new book so the name of

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this book is

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dark files and uh it's an illustrated

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up uh so you can actually see them live

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images coming up so you can check out

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like a slideshow

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on the link in our show notes so you'll

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just have to go

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there and our course our show notes are

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ufo.com and when you're over there our

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is called it's kind of kind of goes

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along with uh the title of michael's

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it's called the ufo dark side anyway

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uh and by the way our blogger uh charles

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lear um he was on another podcast and he

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and you know what he is yeah he's really

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educated in the topic

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he knows a lot of facts and i said to

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why haven't i had him on as a guest and

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i'm going to change that i'm going to

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uh on this show at some point so getting

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back to our website

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while you're there there's a link to our

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so check that out there's over 20

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somewhat thousand people over there

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pretty active

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and uh check that out and uh anyone

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can support the show too we do have a

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patreon page

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and that's also the links over there and

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uh without further ado i would like to

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welcome our guests on

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uh welcome to the show michael hi martin

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good to be with you

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yes i know you're welcome you haven't

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listened to some of the show getting

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sure and uh yeah we had a little bit of

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and then i got the wrong email address

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i've wanted to have you on forever so

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i'm so glad

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you could finally make it absolutely

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yeah

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and uh your work is really really good

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and i've always had an interest in any

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type of history

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so um the history of aviation is

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fascinating um

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um i don't know maybe five or six years

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ago and they had a part of i can't

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remember the name of it

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but um uh at kitty hawk uh wilbur

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and uh orville write their plane

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whatever the name was

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the right fire the right flyer that's

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what it was they had a piece of that in

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oh and it was all documented and how do

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you how do you appraise something like

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historic all right yeah it wasn't the

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whole plane but

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um it was a part of it which was it was

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really quite cool but anyway um so

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uh what what is it the aviation side of

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this that got you interested in the

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striking range of oshkosh wisconsin

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where they have uh the convention every

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about 27 years straight

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and you know one thing led to the other

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altogether but really being so close to

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that's 2457 west peterson avenue

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allowing me access to their collection

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have the largest private collection of

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ufo cases pretty much

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all their file cabinets and pulled out

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drawing illustration sketch a lot of

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the ones that i pulled out and when you

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and a three-page report martin at that

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really had a good case and hopefully we

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can go over some of those today

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yeah so can you tell us a little bit

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issues and everything and i'd

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go and and these things were packed so

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you know went on to the next one

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in kuefa's files for 40 years never been

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yes i do yes i do and are they overseen

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so but yeah it's still accessible it

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and uh that's eventually gonna go to um

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you know a university there

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absolutely and uh you know you can feel

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comfortable that will have public access

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when that's done david marlar has done a

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i've been over there twice and just

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operation just i mean when you walk in

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has done such a fantastic job it's

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it's beyond belief really it really is

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yeah yeah he's yeah he's a great guy and

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so glad that he's done that um i wish

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more people would help him

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you know financially he's got a he has a

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up um and you know he he's doing this

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totally out of passion he's not doing

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this for any self-gain at all that's

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um so and he wants to see these things

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preserved and i agree

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these things have to be preserved i also

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speak with class svan over in sweden and

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you know they have a real nice archive

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and uh yeah fun stuff with all the

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um this is interesting because the files

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were jammed tight together

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yeah they were hanging through so how

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did you just keep a place by

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sliding a piece of paper and you know

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where to go next or something basically

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it's a long it was a long process you

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immediately copied that so did you

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actually look

286
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to see if things were also reported to

287
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mufon or some other um

288
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not really my time was so limited i just

289
00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:42,080
went with it you know just went with it

290
00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:43,760
and is that typical though do people

291
00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:46,480
report to multiple sites

292
00:09:49,509 --> 00:09:48,480
not sure there might have been some

293
00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:49,519
bleed over

294
00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:51,920
but essentially a lot of these were sent

295
00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:53,680
to jail and heineken for his comments

296
00:09:56,710 --> 00:09:54,959
and a lot of people didn't know he

297
00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:56,720
passed away in 86

298
00:10:01,870 --> 00:09:59,120
and they just kept on sending him files

299
00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:01,880
so there's things in there from 2001

300
00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:04,800
2005. they just kept on sending the

301
00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:06,320
things over there so

302
00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:09,680
it continued well beyond his passing

303
00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:12,000
wow wow that's amazing i mean you know

304
00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:14,399
when something starts that long ago

305
00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:16,320
we're not talking the digital age so

306
00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:17,519
everything has to be

307
00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:19,760
you know sent and mailed in and oh yeah

308
00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:20,560
that must have been

309
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fascinating to go through i would love

310
00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:23,920
to see that myself oh yeah

311
00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:27,360
yeah yeah um so what about pictures

312
00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:28,880
photos did you actually see any

313
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yeah there there were there were a lot

314
00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:33,279
of sketches a lot of hand-drawn sketches

315
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some people did color line marker

316
00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:37,120
drawings so that was good there were

317
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some paintings in there

318
00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:41,120
there were some photos but nothing to

319
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write home about

320
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that i would say so yeah and

321
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unfortunately that's what everyone

322
00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:50,399
really wants to see i know i know you

323
00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:52,240
know the evidence martin is always

324
00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:54,880
one step ahead it's always the case yeah

325
00:10:59,590 --> 00:10:56,640
yeah it does seem that way

326
00:11:01,750 --> 00:10:59,600
uh but what getting back to yourself

327
00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:01,760
what was it that you actually made you

328
00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:03,760
really look into this topic to begin

329
00:11:11,990 --> 00:11:09,350
well well my uh one of my relatives

330
00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:12,000
he was friends with jalen heineck so he

331
00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:14,000
kind of introduced me to it a little bit

332
00:11:18,069 --> 00:11:16,240
so he was he was kind of well known in

333
00:11:20,949 --> 00:11:18,079
chicagoland area so i i

334
00:11:21,509 --> 00:11:20,959
some credit has to go to him as well how

335
00:11:23,590 --> 00:11:21,519
about that

336
00:11:24,550 --> 00:11:23,600
wow all right well let's let's talk

337
00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:24,560
about um

338
00:11:28,389 --> 00:11:26,880
some of the cases now again i can bring

339
00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:28,399
when we talk about a case i'll try to

340
00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:29,680
bring up the image

341
00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:31,680
and uh if i get to get it wrong just

342
00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:33,760
bear with me i'll try to get it right

343
00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:37,760
but um what is let's start out with uh

344
00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:39,279
any one of the cases that you came

345
00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:41,519
across i mean because again i always

346
00:11:44,710 --> 00:11:42,000
like to hear

347
00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:44,720
something new oh yeah i know uh it's

348
00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,680
always exciting

349
00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:47,519
um and not that these things are new

350
00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:49,600
it's just like you said the hidden away

351
00:11:52,870 --> 00:11:51,920
uh for some up to 40 years pretty

352
00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:52,880
amazing

353
00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:54,800
we can do it by date if you want and

354
00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:56,800
start with the earliest

355
00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:00,720
sure that's fine yeah let's go to 1897

356
00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:02,320
mystery airship wave

357
00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:03,760
all right i'll try to look for that

358
00:12:08,389 --> 00:12:05,920
image

359
00:12:09,509 --> 00:12:08,399
i don't remember actually seeing that

360
00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:09,519
and i'm wondering if i got i

361
00:12:13,829 --> 00:12:11,680
only got oh yes i did get it yep here we

362
00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:13,839
go there we go

363
00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:16,720
okay so right off the bat credit has to

364
00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:18,240
go to tom bogan

365
00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:20,959
for doing this so bottom line is

366
00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:23,200
literally it took 25 years to compile

367
00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:24,079
all this information

368
00:12:27,430 --> 00:12:25,680
then it took another four years to

369
00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:27,440
commission the artwork

370
00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:29,920
and then another almost a year just to

371
00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:32,880
get the inspiration to write the book so

372
00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:36,240
again tom bogan is the illustrator and

373
00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:38,720
credit goes to him so the goal was to

374
00:12:43,509 --> 00:12:40,959
make these cases come alive

375
00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:43,519
rather than just let them sit in an

376
00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:44,240
archive

377
00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:47,680
in some dusty dark center somewhere

378
00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:50,320
get these cases out make them come alive

379
00:12:52,870 --> 00:12:51,360
through the use of

380
00:12:54,710 --> 00:12:52,880
brand new illustrations that was the

381
00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:54,720
goal here so

382
00:12:59,750 --> 00:12:57,839
this is the 1897 mystery airship wave

383
00:13:02,870 --> 00:12:59,760
technically when we talk about this it

384
00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:02,880
actually started in 1896

385
00:13:07,269 --> 00:13:05,040
in the sacramento oakland area but it's

386
00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:07,279
always been known as the mystery airship

387
00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:07,920
wave

388
00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:11,120
of 1897. so

389
00:13:16,069 --> 00:13:14,720
basically we've got we've got thousands

390
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:16,079
of reports

391
00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:19,519
from california to ohio

392
00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:23,040
bleeding into the east coast uh

393
00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:24,639
what people are reporting and what

394
00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:26,399
you've seen here is kind of what it

395
00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:29,760
what it looked like there was chaos

396
00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:33,360
oakland sacramento uh san francisco

397
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:35,360
chaos people were screaming they were

398
00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:36,959
running through the streets

399
00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:40,240
uh covered wagons were overturned horses

400
00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:41,760
were darting through the

401
00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:43,680
dirt roads and everything and what these

402
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:45,120
people were reporting

403
00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,800
is this strange bird-like craft that had

404
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:51,440
a wing on either side it had a tail

405
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:54,480
it had a gondola that was supported by

406
00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:55,279
what looked like

407
00:14:00,310 --> 00:13:58,320
some kind of an airship or airbag on top

408
00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:00,320
and then it was beaming down these

409
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:01,680
powerful lights

410
00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:04,160
below and then if you look at the

411
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:05,199
reports martin

412
00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:07,120
and there's hundreds of newspaper

413
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:10,160
reports for that whole year there

414
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:13,199
they reported well-dressed

415
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:16,160
eccentric inventor type people on the

416
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:17,519
decks of these craft

417
00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:20,959
they also reported big black dogs

418
00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:24,000
on the top of these laughter was heard

419
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:26,000
coming from these things sometimes these

420
00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:26,480
things

421
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:30,720
landed uh they also dropped down anchors

422
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,920
and so when you look at this and then uh

423
00:14:38,949 --> 00:14:36,000
walter bosley credit has to go to walter

424
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:38,959
blah i personally i think he's nailed it

425
00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:41,360
i think he's cracked the code of the

426
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:43,760
mystery airship wave he talks about

427
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:46,959
the sonora aero club that met

428
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:49,600
in in the 1850s right along the same

429
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,160
time frame as the california gold rush

430
00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:53,839
so you're talking 1849

431
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:56,639
1850 time frame they put together

432
00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:58,000
something called the sonora

433
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,959
arrow club and they were financed by a

434
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,160
mysterious group

435
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,800
known as nimza from quote unquote back

436
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:05,920
east

437
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:07,920
we don't know a whole lot about that but

438
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:10,639
walter bosley makes a very good case

439
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,519
and peter menace was a part of the

440
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:15,440
sonora aero club and he invented

441
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,120
something called quote-unquote

442
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:20,079
nb gas to this day we don't know what it

443
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:20,800
was

444
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:27,760
propulsion system behind these craft

445
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:29,199
martin

446
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,320
wow um yeah so i i had someone on oh i

447
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,079
don't know a few weeks ago that

448
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:36,480
um wrote a book many years ago about the

449
00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:37,519
airship

450
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:40,399
uh mystery so this just just happened

451
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,440
you know just prior to the

452
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:43,440
spanish-american war

453
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,639
was was a wartime

454
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:49,360
thoughts made do you think i mean was

455
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:49,839
this

456
00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:53,120
in in preparation for wartime what they

457
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:54,720
were doing with these well

458
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:57,199
walter bosley in his book he talks about

459
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:58,240
how

460
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,440
there was a contingent american group

461
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,759
concurrently going on with this that

462
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:06,320
actually had a flight demonstration

463
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:09,680
just prior prior to the civil war and

464
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,839
lincoln apparently knew about it abraham

465
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,600
lincoln knew about it

466
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:15,519
and so that's what walter talks about as

467
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,800
well so it looks like there were

468
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,480
different groups concurrently going on

469
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:20,160
at the same time but the sonora aero

470
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,720
club

471
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:23,279
appeared to be the most advanced right i

472
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,800
know hydrogen

473
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:26,639
um you know they were using hydrogen

474
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:28,880
hydrogen in in some of uh

475
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,160
you know the civil war era and

476
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,880
very very flammable there was a lot of a

477
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,560
lot of burns a lot of problems

478
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,480
but um the one thing that's really

479
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:40,800
curious about the reports on these

480
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,519
things

481
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:44,079
is the bright lights i mean did they

482
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,720
have the

483
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:47,680
light technology the intensity of what

484
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:48,639
they're reporting

485
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:51,680
yeah doesn't line up with the weight of

486
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,680
what that would be to have something

487
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,360
that they're reporting

488
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:57,600
that intensity of a spotlight would take

489
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:58,800
a very

490
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,920
high electrical voltage charge or

491
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,040
capacitor

492
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,360
to have that kind of intensity and to

493
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,720
have it airborne

494
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:09,039
seems to me it would be very heavy so

495
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,839
that would

496
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:12,000
undermine the lifting capability so

497
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,520
that's perhaps where the

498
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,679
nb gas came in because they said that

499
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,120
the nb gas

500
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:19,280
drove the propellers they drove the

501
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,679
wings they drove the rotors on the side

502
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,760
so that may have been the power source

503
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,679
for the lights as well

504
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,360
well you know it's surprising that there

505
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:29,280
isn't more information

506
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,200
i know i know where are they martin

507
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,440
where are the prototypes where are they

508
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,200
had all these different models

509
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:39,360
some some were called the gooses and

510
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:40,320
they had all these different

511
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,039
configurations

512
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,120
where are they did they just disappear

513
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,880
now there was a fire that burned some of

514
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,880
them down but there should be something

515
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:49,039
left over but yet it's evaporated from

516
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,000
history

517
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:52,799
yeah yeah that is really bizarre really

518
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,080
bizarre you'd think um

519
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,760
there would be a barn find sooner or

520
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:58,240
later exactly exactly

521
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,640
and especially like if it's out in

522
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,240
california a lot of things

523
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,919
you know just last forever out there

524
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,320
because of the climate situation exactly

525
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,720
yeah you find beautiful old cars and

526
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:09,840
things like that

527
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,039
um and as far were people you were

528
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,799
saying that carts overturned so people

529
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:16,080
were really afraid yeah

530
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,160
it was it was chaos it was absolute cake

531
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,760
because they didn't know

532
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,600
and if you go back to the newspaper

533
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,799
clippings there are

534
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:25,200
hundreds of newspaper clippings about

535
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:25,919
these

536
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,080
long cigar-shaped craft

537
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:32,000
they do talk about the wings they talk

538
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,280
about the rudder

539
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:35,679
you know they constantly talk about how

540
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,960
these people who

541
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,720
had contact with the people who were

542
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,240
quote-unquote the pilots

543
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,480
they were well-dressed inventor types

544
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,799
they were eccentrics

545
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,720
some of these guys had smokey colored

546
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,240
glasses they were wearing

547
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,919
and they said that quote unquote we

548
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:52,000
cracked the gravity barrier we figured

549
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,280
out how to do it so

550
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,360
it wasn't like they were using hot air

551
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:57,440
they were using something else to drive

552
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,000
these craft

553
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,640
that's the point of what uh charles del

554
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,280
shaw talks about in his paintings

555
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,679
wow you know i know they had you know

556
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:06,880
they had combustion

557
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:10,160
engines you know way before then i think

558
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,480
and

559
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,880
starting in the 1850s or something like

560
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:14,559
that when they first started

561
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,080
with those so they had a way to

562
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:20,960
um you know propel these things with

563
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:21,440
with an

564
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,480
you know with a combustion engine um but

565
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:26,080
otherwise they would just be floating

566
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:26,720
around

567
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,000
you know right like a zeppelin without

568
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,080
uh without any propulsion really to

569
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:33,760
speak of and what about

570
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,559
noises did people report hearing like

571
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:38,240
humming noises or anything like that

572
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,120
i don't recall any severe humming noises

573
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:42,799
in these cases

574
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,000
but in charles del shaw's writings

575
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,200
he talks about that since peter menace

576
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,080
was killed or murdered that they would

577
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:54,880
no longer have these test flights

578
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,520
so it looks like they had some

579
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,799
afterwards

580
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,360
but by that time we don't know what

581
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,440
happened to the nb gas because he took

582
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,200
that secret to his grave

583
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:07,840
and so by the time whatever it was ran

584
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,400
out

585
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,159
the mystery airship wave just

586
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,919
disappeared as soon as it came on the

587
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,120
radar screen

588
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:16,559
yeah and did you mention um i know

589
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,840
you said it basically started in

590
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,000
california

591
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,559
um but and you did say all the way to

592
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,760
the east coast right yeah

593
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,840
they made they made it to chicago they

594
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,760
made it to ohio and then a little bit

595
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,039
further east from there

596
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,440
and then they just cut off cut and dry

597
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:33,200
they were they stopped completely

598
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,200
they they re-emerge in 1909 but the 1897

599
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,919
airship wave that cut off pretty quickly

600
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,600
didn't i hear about something in europe

601
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:43,679
during that time i think so

602
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,559
yeah and yeah i remember hearing

603
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,799
something about also the the big lights

604
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,799
coming down you know maybe a light

605
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,919
overhead

606
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,480
seems a little mysterious and whatever

607
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,400
but i can't picture them doing

608
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,559
like on lighthouses back then they had

609
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,480
oil oil lamps

610
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,240
um you know and i can't picture you

611
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:03,919
would have something flammable

612
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:06,000
like that up there right um right you

613
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:07,280
know near in here

614
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:10,960
flammable uh objects so as far as

615
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,240
people seeing like unidentified that

616
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,039
we had no explanation is that where it

617
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,520
rolls into next

618
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:22,159
as far as what then as far as history

619
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:22,720
and

620
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:27,280
say after 1897 where do we go next from

621
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,000
there oh

622
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,919
okay so you want to go to the next case

623
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:32,400
sure why not okay yeah so let's go to uh

624
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:36,640
fdr so that's the uss fdr late 1958.

625
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:39,840
oh wow it took that uh yeah yeah

626
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:42,960
okay so now this one actually comes from

627
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,679
mufon we've got the original sketch from

628
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,360
chester grozinski

629
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,440
he's the primary eyewitness on this now

630
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:51,520
the story the back story is

631
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:55,280
um there it's late 1958 it's guantanamo

632
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,159
bay cuba

633
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,600
the uss fdr it's about 9 00 p.m

634
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,559
and according to chester grozinski uh

635
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,440
there was commotion below decks

636
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,039
there were people trying to rush up the

637
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:09,280
ladder to get on top of the flight deck

638
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,720
all these people were getting up there

639
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,799
eventually 24

640
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,520
naval personnel got to the flight deck

641
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,640
and what they saw

642
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,480
is a light approaching the aircraft

643
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,559
carrier at 9pm at night it got closer

644
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,760
and closer

645
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,000
eventually it parked itself about 200

646
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,919
feet above the flight deck and it was no

647
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:27,679
longer a light at this point

648
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,480
it was a 150 foot cigar shaped craft

649
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:35,600
it had a series of square cut out

650
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,400
windows

651
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,640
and the people on the flight deck could

652
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,400
see quote unquote

653
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:43,200
humanoid looking beings walking back and

654
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,919
forth

655
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,240
within this window section and one of

656
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,960
these beings

657
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:49,360
actually put his hand above his head

658
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,320
like he was

659
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,799
waving at the personnel down below who

660
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,960
were looking back up at this craft

661
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,880
wow at this point the people on the

662
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,640
flight deck they could feel the heat

663
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,520
coming off this craft onto their faces

664
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,360
and then this thing turned to an

665
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,720
orangish color

666
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,799
and shot off like a spark on a grinding

667
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,720
wheel and made no sonic boom this is

668
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,400
back in 1958

669
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,000
and if you if you go to the next one we

670
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,679
think we've got the enlargement version

671
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:14,799
of it too

672
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,240
oh okay uh yeah yeah so uh

673
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,400
and does that one also say fdr on it

674
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,120
yeah it should set fdr in it but

675
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:25,760
yeah that's what i see it yes reporting

676
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,320
yeah okay

677
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,720
so there's the enlargement yep you know

678
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:29,919
this is

679
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,799
the time travel thing

680
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,360
you know people people uh you know

681
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,520
question whether that's a possibility

682
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,480
but um you know there it does seem like

683
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:44,159
the cigar shape and this almost looks

684
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,720
like

685
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:48,159
a elongated tic tac in a way yeah there

686
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:48,799
you go

687
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,600
yeah but um a lot of the cigar shaped

688
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,039
things that people have seen over the

689
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,840
years do have like portholes and windows

690
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,640
you hear about that a lot exactly but uh

691
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,240
the humanoid figures

692
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,240
and let me just ask you this do you know

693
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,640
if they they went into some type of

694
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,360
uh war mode uh you know to protect

695
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,799
themselves or anything like that

696
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,960
um the only thing i could say is that

697
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,080
this wasn't

698
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,200
an isolated incident the fdr had a

699
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,760
history of ufo encounters and

700
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,960
the reason why may be because the uss

701
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:25,279
fdr was the first aircraft carrier to

702
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,919
carry

703
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,880
onboard nuclear weapons so that might be

704
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,159
the reason why

705
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,400
yeah yeah i mean there's there's so many

706
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:33,919
when it comes to

707
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,279
the nuclear uh whole situation it just

708
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:38,720
seems like there's so many

709
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,400
tie-ins with the ufos um you know even

710
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,799
for instance the nimitz that was uh you

711
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,240
know a nuclear um

712
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,440
carrier um but you know not not i'm not

713
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,440
gonna say was armed with nukes i i don't

714
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,799
know that but uh

715
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,960
but still um there just seems to be some

716
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,159
type of tie-in

717
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,440
there who knows but this is uh this is a

718
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,799
real real good one

719
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,799
and and what type you said you you went

720
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,240
off of a sketch for this

721
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,640
yeah so he provided an original sketch

722
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,480
that was sent to mufon

723
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,480
i've got it right here i don't know if

724
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:12,799
we can show this here but

725
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:16,720
uh this this is his original sketch

726
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,840
and if you zoom in here you can see

727
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,799
oh yeah this gentleman there's the

728
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,240
people on the flight deck and you can

729
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,480
see the being waving back in the window

730
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,480
so yep this is his original sketch he

731
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,240
wrote an entire report and

732
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,480
it's also been uh recorded in two

733
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,480
newspaper clippings as well

734
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,080
and what about um were there other

735
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:38,480
people as well that cooperated

736
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,480
his work do you know uh he tried to find

737
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,640
some of the other eyewitnesses but the

738
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,520
log books

739
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:48,559
for that day are missing on the aircraft

740
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,279
carrier

741
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,400
that's convenient yep wow

742
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,480
and that that's a rare thing to happen

743
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,640
really you know the log book

744
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,960
um they're not supposed to disappear

745
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,679
yeah

746
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:02,960
great case

747
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,120
uh and you know as far as the humanoids

748
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,679
you don't hear about that too often

749
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,559
people seeing

750
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,000
that type of thing but it's funny how

751
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,520
when you do hear about them a lot of

752
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,440
times they're they're waving

753
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,279
that's right you know you hear about

754
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,480
that uh

755
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,600
the uh new guinea case and you know

756
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,600
yeah that's the next one on the list

757
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,279
here if we want to move to that one

758
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:29,520
sure uh do you know that what the title

759
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:31,400
is yep it's june 27

760
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:35,120
1959 father gill case yeah i love that

761
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:35,760
case

762
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,960
and uh i will find that here we go

763
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:41,039
yeah i'll use that let's go to the one

764
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,080
prior to this

765
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,760
so that's the enlargement let's go to

766
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,880
the to the one prior to this

767
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,600
okay uh but let's let's talk about the

768
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,960
story while i'm looking for that okay

769
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,320
that's fine so

770
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,039
it's 6 p.m it's june 27th there we go

771
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,640
1959

772
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,440
now there are at least 25 eyewitnesses

773
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,880
to this case

774
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,520
um that's kind of basically the setup it

775
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,080
was around 6 p.m now the the day before

776
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:08,080
on the 26th they had sightings as well

777
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,200
but this one

778
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,960
was on the 27th so father gill he is

779
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,320
brought outside

780
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,240
uh 25 eyewitnesses what they're

781
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,000
reporting they saw

782
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:20,640
a 35 foot diameter disc shaped craft

783
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,200
that had

784
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,840
two tiers to it so it looked like a

785
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,520
two-tiered wedding cake

786
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,559
bottom diameter was 25 35 feet the upper

787
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,320
deck was 20 feet

788
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:33,039
it had what looked like cone-shaped

789
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,080
landing gear

790
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,600
coming out of the bottom so there were

791
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,960
four of these legs and on the top

792
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,159
there were four human-looking beings now

793
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,399
two of them were further back toward the

794
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,760
center of the craft so they were

795
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:48,320
somewhat obscured but the other two were

796
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,159
nearer to him and father gill

797
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,480
he was so excited to see this he

798
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,200
definitely

799
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679
waved to the beings on the top deck and

800
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,600
they actually waved back that's

801
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,520
actually the name of this illustration

802
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,039
is they wave back

803
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,039
so this went on for a few minutes they

804
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:06,720
also used torches

805
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:10,080
and the the craft responded to the torch

806
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,200
movement

807
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,679
and then these other two guys they

808
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,760
disappeared on the top deck

809
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,080
and then a blue beam shot out at about a

810
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,440
45 degree angle

811
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,080
from the flight deck itself that was

812
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,520
there for a few minutes

813
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,520
and then this thing departed but the

814
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,360
bottom line is that there were at least

815
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,320
25 eyewitnesses to this case

816
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,039
and we don't know exactly what the

817
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,880
purpose of their landing gear legs were

818
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:36,000
now they could have just been

819
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,279
gear legs but they could have been

820
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,279
something else as well because in some

821
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,960
of the other sketches

822
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:43,440
it's a very interesting configuration so

823
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,399
essentially

824
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,159
that is the father guild case another

825
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:48,399
case where these beings they wave

826
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:52,720
back right right um and also if anyone

827
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,279
is uh

828
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,960
curious to find out more all you have to

829
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,600
do is google i mean or go on youtube

830
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,120
that is basically

831
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,559
and uh put in the father gill ufo

832
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,360
and you will pull up a video of him in

833
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,880
his own words

834
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,559
i think it was recorded in the 60s or

835
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,320
something like that but he will go into

836
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,520
his own words

837
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,679
about the encounter and very very

838
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,720
believable

839
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,840
yeah and um and i believe at the end he

840
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,279
says something like

841
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,200
well you know you don't have to believe

842
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,880
me i understand but

843
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,080
it did happen it did happen yeah well

844
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:28,159
a lot of these cases martin is it it

845
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,120
doesn't become

846
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,919
real to you until you have a personal

847
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,919
connection to the sighting

848
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,320
now i didn't know father gill but uh

849
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,320
being connected to qfos

850
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,200
and then uh being a good friend of paul

851
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,880
heineck i spoke to paul heineck

852
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,440
about this and he i think he said that

853
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,440
it was 1974

854
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,559
where father gill came to evanston

855
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,000
and they had dinner with uh father gill

856
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:56,000
and jaylen heineck and paul heineck was

857
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,480
sitting

858
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,559
right there at the dinner table and

859
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,720
father gill was laying out this entire

860
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,360
case

861
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,760
he wasn't seeking fame he wasn't seeking

862
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,640
fortune

863
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,760
he wasn't trying to make himself look

864
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,360
popular or anything he was just laying

865
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,120
out the entire case and he was

866
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,559
completely credible

867
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,399
completely right reliable and when i

868
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,399
heard that from paul heineck

869
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:19,279
yep there you go it's yes it's it's

870
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:19,840
legit

871
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,919
hear him talk about that um i met him

872
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,039
last year out in uh

873
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,520
okay phoenix and yeah he did talk about

874
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,200
sitting there and hearing about that

875
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,919
yeah i think that's to me when i first

876
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,679
was really looking seriously into that

877
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,559
topic

878
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,360
and i found um that online and read

879
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,480
about it and then

880
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,640
watch the video it's like holy mackerel

881
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,520
that one is

882
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:46,399
that's a real interesting one and you

883
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,360
know i think he

884
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,279
i think it went on for another day right

885
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,640
didn't they see something

886
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,360
yeah there were there was a whole series

887
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,399
of sightings in that

888
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,480
that time frame so it wasn't just that

889
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:57,840
day there was a whole series of

890
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:58,399
sightings

891
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:01,840
in that area yeah um makes you really

892
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,320
wonder

893
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,519
um what that was about you know like

894
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,840
right well whoever they were wherever

895
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,039
they were from

896
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:11,120
um you know it's funny that they

897
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,240
actually

898
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,840
i like the things that are bizarre

899
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:16,000
myself because yeah they're almost more

900
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,200
credible in a way

901
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:19,840
right picture them on top of this thing

902
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,399
i mean that

903
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,799
that's bizarre if you ask me the beings

904
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,840
coming out on top of

905
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,519
like they're on the top of a submarine

906
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,200
or something and

907
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,760
and then uh the reaction with the people

908
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,519
i think he sent someone in

909
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,279
to get a torch what they call a

910
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,720
flashlight a torch right

911
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,480
and came back out and then the

912
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,159
interaction with that

913
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:41,600
i do believe i do believe he says that

914
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,760
they move the basically move the um

915
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:48,399
the torch back and forth like this and

916
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,960
then the

917
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:51,600
object actually moves it responded yep

918
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,320
that's right

919
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,600
it responded to to the movement and uh

920
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,519
that really that really makes you uh

921
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,279
it's a wonder they didn't land

922
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,080
whoever they were right and uh you know

923
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,760
have more interaction

924
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:06,240
and have you ever pondered that why

925
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:06,880
there's

926
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:10,799
no you know public interaction

927
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:14,960
with if if it goes that far and it stops

928
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,080
right right i think

929
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:20,559
i think we could be looking perhaps at a

930
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,360
high-tech

931
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,080
civilization that may have been on this

932
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,320
planet for thousands of years

933
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,320
that might be a part of this i'm not

934
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,840
sure but if you look at it

935
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:32,159
there's different configurations we we

936
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:33,279
do see

937
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,399
some similarities on the dress

938
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,799
that these beings are wearing a lot of

939
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,039
times and it's this is really strange

940
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,279
some of these beings have cone-shaped

941
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,600
hands i've seen this again and again

942
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,440
this pattern that keeps repeating with

943
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,960
these cone-shaped hands

944
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,640
i'm not sure what it means but it's in

945
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:52,880
the cases so that is a

946
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:55,840
repeating pattern as well i wonder you

947
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,080
know

948
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,080
you always think about evolution and i

949
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,320
wonder what type of evolution

950
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,600
would make a cone shaped hand work

951
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:06,320
right you know right so maybe maybe

952
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,120
something

953
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
on wherever they're from uh makes it

954
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,760
necessary for them to

955
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,320
eat that way or something you know get

956
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,760
into some type of plant

957
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,480
to eat i don't know you know i mean uh

958
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:19,679
it's all speculation

959
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,000
but yeah um and

960
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,080
you know since you are a person that

961
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,679
really looks at

962
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,679
the structured craft that people are

963
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,799
reporting

964
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,120
right um do you think it's kind of

965
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:35,120
bizarre where there seems to be periods

966
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:36,080
of

967
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,880
triangles and you know things like that

968
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,519
have you ever

969
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,679
wondered about it yeah well like like

970
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,320
they say triangles are all the rage now

971
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,240
but we've got the cigar shaped craft and

972
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,240
we've got the flying platforms as well

973
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,399
so those are kind of like the four

974
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,799
primary configurations that we've seen

975
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,519
and when one ends the next one comes up

976
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,519
so like they retire that version and

977
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,039
they move to the next one

978
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,080
it does seem that way and um and and

979
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,240
it doesn't really make any sense if it

980
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,760
really comes to

981
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,200
the point where you know these

982
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,119
civilizations could be

983
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,760
multi millions of years older than we

984
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,359
are and stuff like that

985
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,440
why at one point would they have one

986
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,359
craft and then another craft and

987
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,200
i don't know uh are they is it just

988
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,720
coming from different places i mean

989
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:25,760
there's

990
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,520
answers

991
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,399
yeah but it's it's totally fascinating

992
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,560
and so you want to move on to uh temple

993
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,760
oklahoma

994
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:38,879
sure uh so this is mark yep march 23rd

995
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,560
there you go

996
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,639
1966 temple oklahoma

997
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,359
now this gentleman this is an this is a

998
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,359
project blue book case you can verify

999
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,280
this this is an actual project blue

1000
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,399
bookcase

1001
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,440
eddie lackson who is a

1002
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,480
electronics technician instructor at

1003
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,640
shepard air force base it's 505 in the

1004
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,800
morning he's going to work

1005
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,680
and all of a sudden the road is blocked

1006
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,520
by this strange

1007
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:08,000
craft very they describe it or he

1008
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,119
describes it as a

1009
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,079
perch or fish-shaped craft so he stops

1010
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,240
the car he gets out of his vehicle

1011
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,440
and what he sees is this elongated

1012
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,880
torpedo-shaped craft

1013
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,720
now i've got a copy of his original

1014
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
sketch uh david marlar has the entire

1015
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,040
report so credit has to go

1016
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,640
to david because he's got the 12-page

1017
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,119
report he he gave me a copy of that

1018
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:32,400
but uh now his original sketch is really

1019
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:32,960
rough

1020
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,320
scale so

1021
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,040
spent at least a day fixing that and

1022
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,200
making it up to spec but anyway

1023
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,520
his sketch says that the craft was 75

1024
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,200
feet in length

1025
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,480
it was eight feet tall the

1026
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,280
very forward section will work after aft

1027
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,960
as we go along here it has a three foot

1028
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:55,280
diameter bubble transparent canopy

1029
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,839
that looks like it was something off a

1030
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,520
b-26 and then it had two powerful

1031
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,680
spotlights beaming in the forward as you

1032
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,320
get

1033
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,040
toward the upper spine there was this

1034
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,680
spire or stinger that swept back

1035
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,720
like a trolley car from san francisco

1036
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,359
but the electrical trolley cars like an

1037
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,440
electrical trolley car it has that

1038
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,359
stinger that goes up that's exactly what

1039
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,560
this craft looked like

1040
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,119
then it had this baseball or softball

1041
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,160
sphere at the end of that spire

1042
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:27,280
he also said that there was a hatch that

1043
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,240
was about

1044
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,440
two and a half feet wide maybe 4.5

1045
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:34,240
feet tall and he said that right next to

1046
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,280
there there was this

1047
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,599
military-looking guy he had green

1048
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:38,960
fatigues on

1049
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,000
and he had chevrons on his shoulder

1050
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,240
and he was shining a flashlight on the

1051
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,839
bottom of the craft like he was looking

1052
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,720
at something

1053
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,040
it also had this air stair so it was

1054
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,440
this hatch that came down with this air

1055
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,440
stair that you would see on a learjet

1056
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,359
now behind the airstair was another

1057
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:56,800
three foot diameter

1058
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,079
porthole window that was lit from inside

1059
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,119
it was divided in four equal pi segments

1060
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,280
just after that there was the

1061
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:06,640
designation martin

1062
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,400
tl 4768 written in black letters

1063
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,640
on the side of the craft he actually

1064
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,760
mentions this now

1065
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,839
to this day i don't think anyone can

1066
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,200
figure out what that meant

1067
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,839
i have looked i don't know what that

1068
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:22,560
designation meant now he wasn't exactly

1069
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,359
sure

1070
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,839
about the last two characters but that

1071
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,720
was his best

1072
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,119
representation now the whole craft was

1073
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,320
sitting on what looked like

1074
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,880
four lantern lunar landing gear legs and

1075
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,040
at the end of this craft

1076
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:37,200
it had what looked like very small

1077
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,079
flight controls

1078
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,440
too small to be anything

1079
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:44,000
actually practical for aerodynamic

1080
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,119
flight

1081
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,359
now when this gentleman who is shining

1082
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,800
the flashlight at the bottom of the

1083
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,440
craft

1084
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,560
when he saw he was being looked at by

1085
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,680
eddie lexin

1086
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,880
he immediately ran up the stairs he

1087
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,320
closed the door

1088
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,760
and then this is something i've heard

1089
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,839
again and again martin

1090
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,760
again and again i've heard this just

1091
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:06,480
before this thing departed

1092
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,520
there was a high-pitched drilling noise

1093
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,599
and this thing levitated off the ground

1094
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:12,800
and departed

1095
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,200
like boom gone it made no sonic boom and

1096
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,119
at that altitude we're looking at super

1097
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,119
sonic so this thing

1098
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,320
exceeded mach 1 at ground level and made

1099
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,160
no sonic boom this is all back

1100
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:29,040
in 1966 yeah i was just going to ask you

1101
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,320
what year that is

1102
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:33,280
yeah that is so crazy no sonic boom and

1103
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,079
all that

1104
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,599
and it makes you think of our technology

1105
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:38,640
you know

1106
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,560
is it possible that we actually had

1107
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,599
this type of technology back then and if

1108
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,640
so

1109
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:49,920
why aren't we using it you know i mean

1110
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,079
uh 1966 that's just unbelievable

1111
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,440
oh and here's the other thing too and

1112
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,280
this is in the newspaper clippings

1113
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,680
and blue book investigated the u.s air

1114
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,119
force investigated

1115
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,800
uh eddie lacks and when he was

1116
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,640
interviewed by officials

1117
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,680
he said that he could recognize

1118
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,400
this gentleman if he saw him in the

1119
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,839
street that afternoon

1120
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,480
wow that's how close he was so i mean

1121
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:16,079
it's it's a good sighting very good

1122
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,640
sighting

1123
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:19,760
official project blue book case yeah

1124
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:23,440
and again um you know is it almost makes

1125
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:24,560
you think that

1126
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,839
it could be a time travel thing one more

1127
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,320
time

1128
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,359
you know um that this guy looked

1129
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,240
like a military yep in fatigues and

1130
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,119
chevrons and

1131
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:38,000
yeah and all that uh so that is really a

1132
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,960
bizarre

1133
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,280
uh anyone ever see anything like

1134
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,000
anything like that

1135
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,640
ever reported again well truck driver

1136
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,680
saw it too

1137
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,760
so he wasn't the only one they

1138
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,520
interviewed some of the people who drove

1139
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,040
down there and they sought to

1140
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,119
so he it wasn't an independent case i

1141
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,359
mean there were multiple eyewitnesses

1142
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,079
yeah and why would it land on the in the

1143
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,359
middle of the highway

1144
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:02,880
that's another thing um and how about

1145
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:06,079
as far as uh where it was located are

1146
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,960
there any

1147
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,359
uh air bases or test sites yeah it was

1148
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,640
near it was near shepard

1149
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,680
uh shepard air force base okay on the

1150
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,160
temple oklahoma border uh the texas

1151
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,880
oklahoma border that's not too far from

1152
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,400
where that air force base is because he

1153
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,680
was working there

1154
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839
as an instructor and so he was going

1155
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,200
there in the morning he just

1156
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,560
ran across this thing and if you go to

1157
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,480
clarksburg west virginia where they have

1158
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,160
the gray barker collection they've got

1159
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,319
some of the original

1160
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:37,440
sketches there it also talks about how

1161
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:41,119
truck drivers saw it too so wow

1162
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,800
um if you know if you had to speculate

1163
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,520
what would you think it is i mean have

1164
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,560
you thought about

1165
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,240
what the possibilities are in something

1166
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:51,920
like this martin i think it's one of

1167
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,280
ours yeah i think it's one of ours yep

1168
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,480
and you think they actually could have

1169
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:58,720
had that technology back then yes i do

1170
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:02,079
yes i do and what do you think they'd be

1171
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,880
doing with

1172
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,119
this technology if they weren't using it

1173
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,680
during the vietnam war or

1174
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,760
you know you're talking about the speed

1175
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,800
without

1176
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,599
you know breaking the sound barrier

1177
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,599
things that seem to defy

1178
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,760
i guess i would say is that i guess i'm

1179
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,880
limited on what i

1180
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,760
can talk about here but um they're just

1181
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,359
they're designed to control the high

1182
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,960
ground

1183
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,720
they're designed to control the high

1184
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,240
ground because anyone who controls the

1185
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:30,400
high ground in a battlefield

1186
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,920
environment they win the war and so this

1187
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,560
is a

1188
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,960
that's part of that but but bottom line

1189
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,079
is if you look at the

1190
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,720
newspaper clippings they were

1191
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,960
experimenting with cracking the gravity

1192
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:43,839
barrier

1193
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:47,119
in 1954 as reported in the newspapers in

1194
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,200
1955. now if we go back in time to 1897

1195
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,920
the history of this stuff goes way

1196
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,480
before

1197
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,520
kenneth arnold we could be looking at a

1198
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,760
progression of technology from that time

1199
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,800
frame up to 66 where eddie lex and saw

1200
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,160
that craft

1201
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,680
but really if you want to know more

1202
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,000
about that just read walter bosley book

1203
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,720
he he traces the whole history of this

1204
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,560
and i don't even think he's given enough

1205
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,160
credit he is not

1206
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:16,079
given the credit he deserves for piecing

1207
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:17,359
this together because i think he's

1208
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,079
figured out

1209
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,760
the mystery airship wave sighting and

1210
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,440
that was the origin point

1211
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,960
where a lot of this can be traced back

1212
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,880
to now what about

1213
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,160
so this craft or whatever

1214
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,280
it sort of displayed anti-gravity is

1215
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,480
that what you're

1216
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,000
do you think that's what we were seeing

1217
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,760
well there you were sitting there

1218
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,400
you know in the lonnie zamora case they

1219
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,359
have the same thing

1220
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,440
on three other cases within my book they

1221
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,720
talk about the same thing there's

1222
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:43,680
there's always

1223
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:47,119
this martin this high-pitched drilling

1224
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,079
noise

1225
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:50,160
like they're starting something like

1226
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,119
they're engaging

1227
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,400
something if this was alien it would

1228
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,880
it would either be on or to be off you

1229
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,640
wouldn't have this demarcation of

1230
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,839
complete silence

1231
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,319
and then like something chugging up and

1232
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,000
running up or spooling up

1233
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,800
it sounds very industrial it sounds very

1234
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,839
mechanical

1235
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,520
and in some of these other cases that

1236
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,760
we'll talk about here is people who look

1237
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,760
inside these craft

1238
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,560
they see rivets they see bulkheads they

1239
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,520
see stringers

1240
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,280
it looks like a quote-unquote shipping

1241
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,520
yard something that you see on a dry

1242
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,800
dock on the east coast where they're

1243
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,560
building a battleship

1244
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,760
a very mechanical man-made construction

1245
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:29,119
martin is what these people are

1246
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:29,839
reporting

1247
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,960
when they see inside these craft how do

1248
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,599
you think that it would be possible that

1249
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,200
something like this

1250
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,319
could be kept secret if we had it they

1251
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,400
can do it if they want to

1252
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,920
i mean when they really want to keep a

1253
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,839
secret they can do it they can do it

1254
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,520
they compartmentalize it

1255
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,880
it can be done it can be done and it can

1256
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:53,599
absolutely be done

1257
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:57,200
uh it's really uh really it's in a way

1258
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,400
it's hard to believe

1259
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,560
that someone wouldn't come forward and

1260
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,640
say hey you can't believe the technology

1261
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,599
we had back in 1960

1262
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,560
well the giggle factor is still in place

1263
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,720
yeah even in 2020 the giggle factor is

1264
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,400
still in place because if you talk about

1265
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,760
this

1266
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,240
you know you can get crucified so you

1267
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,440
have to be very careful

1268
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,839
how you present it so yeah but all right

1269
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,640
let's uh let's

1270
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:23,200
fast forward and we got um about seven

1271
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,839
minutes or

1272
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,119
six and a half minutes to a break all

1273
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,760
right let's let's fast forward though to

1274
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,680
just on this topic while we're on it

1275
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:31,280
right now okay uh

1276
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,200
for um now the

1277
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,599
the government is basically looking into

1278
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:38,800
the topic

1279
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,160
um sure and and so

1280
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,920
if if it was part of what we had

1281
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,319
wouldn't they say wouldn't the

1282
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,400
government know that and just say

1283
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,880
hey you know don't waste your time you

1284
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:55,040
know we will we'll talk about it

1285
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,640
and tell you this is you know from the

1286
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,560
private sector this is

1287
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,280
uh something that we've known about for

1288
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,280
uh and have used this technology

1289
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,359
well i honestly i don't think they're

1290
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,040
obligated to say anything

1291
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,119
really when you're dealing with this

1292
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,720
kind of level of technology

1293
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,960
they're not obligated to say anything

1294
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,200
and they can keep it under wraps

1295
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,400
so they would just assume that we would

1296
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,520
spend the time

1297
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,079
effort and money to keep looking at what

1298
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,319
these things are and not say anything

1299
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,760
i think that could be the case martin

1300
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,040
they're they're not going to show their

1301
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,589
they'd much rather have you think that

1302
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,000
it's an alien spacecraft from a

1303
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,400
light years away and all i'm going to

1304
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
say is that

1305
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,520
the truth on some of these might be a

1306
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,280
lot closer to home i'm going to leave it

1307
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:42,319
at that

1308
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,000
yeah but is it also your opinion that we

1309
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,680
may be seeing something from somewhere

1310
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,160
else

1311
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,119
could be could be yes yeah because uh

1312
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,560
there's a lot of talk about

1313
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,119
different timelines converging uh we

1314
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:56,319
could be looking at something in the

1315
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:56,800
future

1316
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,160
absolutely uh there's cases in 1850

1317
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,880
in oaxaco mexico where people were

1318
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,000
seeing

1319
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,680
these they called them golden birds

1320
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,599
that were shining beaming spotlights

1321
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:12,640
down like an 1849-1850 time frame now it

1322
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,359
could be

1323
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,520
part of our early airship testing but

1324
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,280
that's been going on too so

1325
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,280
you can't deny these sightings you can't

1326
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,440
maybe one or two but not all of them

1327
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,839
yeah especially when you have multiple

1328
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,040
witnesses

1329
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,040
involved i think we have uh time before

1330
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,400
the break to do one more

1331
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:31,520
sure case if you'd like to yep so let's

1332
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,079
go to

1333
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,280
1972 venezuela all right

1334
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,680
uh december this one right here right

1335
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,640
yep

1336
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,400
so a lot of working into getting this

1337
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,079
one now this when i saw

1338
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,119
this one martin at the q4 sarco i said

1339
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,960
nope that's the one right there because

1340
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,079
no one's ever seen this

1341
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,240
as far as i know it's never been printed

1342
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:52,000
it's never been reported it's never been

1343
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,640
put in a

1344
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:55,040
newsletter pure it was completely blank

1345
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,000
been sitting there for

1346
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,560
35 40 years so when i saw that one i

1347
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,400
said yep we got to do this one so

1348
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,720
the the back story on this it's december

1349
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:04,880
26 1972

1350
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,160
maricibo venezuela there were three

1351
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,400
primary eyewitnesses they're on the 14th

1352
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,400
floor of their apartment complex

1353
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,800
so the husband saw the wife saw it and

1354
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,960
their young daughter saw it as well

1355
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,280
they were looking over the city

1356
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,760
expecting to see this airliner

1357
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,559
make a landing at the local airport now

1358
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,160
what they actually saw now this is the

1359
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,720
husband he describes it now he included

1360
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,160
very good pencil sketches of what he saw

1361
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,040
and he included a three-page report with

1362
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,440
the sketches together i know it's real

1363
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,599
he's the way he wrote this sketch

1364
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,760
completely credible

1365
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,440
so what he expects to see is a

1366
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,520
commercial airliner approaching his

1367
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,359
apartment complex but that wasn't the

1368
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,440
case what he saw was an

1369
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,480
orange colored light and he thought that

1370
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,119
an engine was on fire like inside the

1371
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,800
engine the sullivan airliner

1372
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,720
it looked like something was on fire now

1373
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,280
as this thing got closer

1374
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:04,000
this was no aircraft this was absolutely

1375
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,359
no aircraft

1376
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,280
uh it was kind of an elliptical shaped

1377
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:09,359
craft it had these exhaust

1378
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,680
ports on the you could say about 60

1379
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,280
back from the leading edge of the craft

1380
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,040
wrapped around the entire left

1381
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,800
back and then over to the right hand

1382
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,640
side you can see that right here he drew

1383
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,400
sketches of what this looked like

1384
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,040
now this thing passed within 150 feet of

1385
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,040
his location

1386
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,359
and made about a 45 degree tip up angle

1387
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,160
and then continued on its flight path

1388
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,960
he actually called for his daughter to

1389
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,480
run next door to the neighbor's

1390
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,400
apartment and get out the binoculars so

1391
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,599
he saw this

1392
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,599
in binoculars and then if you if you go

1393
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,960
to one picture

1394
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,200
ahead of this one martin you'll see that

1395
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,960
what he describes seeing on the bottom

1396
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:48,800
of this craft were these two

1397
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,760
half hemispherical insulators inside

1398
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:54,240
these insulators or half hemispherical

1399
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,040
domes

1400
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:58,000
there was this electrical spark gap

1401
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:58,960
mechanism

1402
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,839
and a continuous blue arcing flame was

1403
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,400
going

1404
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,119
through this entire section of the craft

1405
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,480
continuously as this thing was flying by

1406
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,760
so you can kind of see what this thing

1407
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,680
actually looked like now a few minutes

1408
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,760
later as this thing departed

1409
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,920
off toward the location of the airport

1410
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,119
another craft

1411
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,520
identical to this one flew the exact

1412
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,480
same flight path

1413
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,880
got within 150 feet of the witness he

1414
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,920
saw the same thing

1415
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
twice so that's how he got a real good

1416
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,559
look at what this crap actually looked

1417
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:29,680
like

1418
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,200
wow and how how many people

1419
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:35,119
were reported this do you know was it

1420
00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:36,319
just well he

1421
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,440
he wrote in the report to jail and

1422
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:39,760
heinekefos

1423
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:42,880
but it took place in 72.

1424
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,160
so this is uh a long time ago this was

1425
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:47,599
written in and and we've got his

1426
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:48,240
original

1427
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:54,079
um you'd have to think that if someone

1428
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:54,960
is

1429
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:59,040
would they go through all the trouble

1430
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,240
and all the detail

1431
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:03,440
and you know it just it and

1432
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,960
to report it without um you know any

1433
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:08,319
other witnesses

1434
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:11,760
um some may say you know why bother but

1435
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,240
um

1436
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,640
i'm surprised that more people didn't

1437
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,559
see this and they they could have seen

1438
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,319
it but they didn't report it

1439
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,319
to uh kevos anyway now it could have

1440
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,640
been seen by others i'm sure it was but

1441
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,720
he was the one who filed the official

1442
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,800
report and then going back to those

1443
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,400
exhaust ports

1444
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,200
he said that they looked like flames but

1445
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,480
they didn't

1446
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,040
behave like flames they behave more like

1447
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,559
an electrical arc

1448
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,520
with a very sharp knife cut off edge

1449
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,119
like someone took a butter knife

1450
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,880
and chopped the edges right off it was

1451
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,040
cut and dry so these things didn't

1452
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,640
dissipate like a flame would

1453
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,720
but they had a very sharp termination

1454
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,000
point

1455
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,839
well it doesn't make any sense in any

1456
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,040
way

1457
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,040
and that's why i like it yeah that's

1458
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,640
right

1459
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,119
wow and uh did he describe these colors

1460
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,200
as well that you have this is like a

1461
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:04,079
really bright basically like a a uh when

1462
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
you spark

1463
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:07,200
uh a welding's torch that's what this

1464
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,160
look like this is

1465
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,800
long gone but still they're really

1466
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,920
fascinating

1467
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:14,720
and you know if the witnesses aren't

1468
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,520
long gone

1469
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,520
um you never know when something like

1470
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:19,200
this gets out i talk to people all the

1471
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,079
time

1472
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:23,280
that will a case actually

1473
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,720
hits tv or something for instance um

1474
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:29,200
in contact with calvin parker we talk

1475
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,920
every few

1476
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,079
few days right now because he's trying

1477
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,920
to get the other witnesses

1478
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,520
that actually saw the crap we're trying

1479
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,760
to get him all together with him on this

1480
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,640
show

1481
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,040
um but you know they they didn't come

1482
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,720
forward until just recently that

1483
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,240
happened so many years ago

1484
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,720
yeah but it gets it gets uh the

1485
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,319
spotlight so to speak

1486
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,000
and all of a sudden someone comes

1487
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,440
forward it's like

1488
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,400
kevin day um from the nimitz case

1489
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:56,160
listened to my show with robert powell

1490
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,480
and

1491
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,760
ah got in touch with um through that way

1492
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,160
uh through facebook so yeah it's

1493
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,200
interesting how

1494
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,040
these things work good to get them out

1495
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,599
there as you know martin only 10

1496
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,839
of cases are reported so we're missing

1497
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,440
so much as it is

1498
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,119
yeah i mean i didn't report my own

1499
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,359
personal case you know because

1500
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,800
i didn't have i for one thing i had no

1501
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,720
idea you could do go online

1502
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,760
and report something this was in 2006. i

1503
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,680
had absolutely no idea and i had no

1504
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,760
no idea who to report it to i called the

1505
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,440
police

1506
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,400
okay because i just didn't know you know

1507
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,599
what to do and i

1508
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:36,240
i got fed up and and hung up the phone i

1509
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:36,960
didn't even

1510
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,400
you know so mine's unreported and i've

1511
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,200
been in crowds at conferences where

1512
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,520
um the question is asked how many people

1513
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,880
have seen something that they

1514
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,599
absolutely cannot explain in the sky and

1515
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,960
you look around and

1516
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,880
it's like 90 percent of course of those

1517
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,520
people are going to a ufo event

1518
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,880
so they're more likely to raise their

1519
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:58,960
hand but then

1520
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,880
when the uh person would ask all right

1521
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,119
how many people reported it

1522
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:07,920
almost all the hands go down you know

1523
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,319
there's

1524
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:10,079
only like uh probably you're right ten

1525
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,359
percent still

1526
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,160
holding their hands up that's right so

1527
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:15,280
yeah

1528
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,280
and uh as far as people reporting

1529
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,920
you know i mean do you feel like they're

1530
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:22,559
handled

1531
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,079
fairly well with a couple of uh

1532
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,839
institutions out there now or how do you

1533
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,359
feel about that well

1534
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:32,319
if it doesn't have a sketch and a and a

1535
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,800
actual

1536
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,599
handwritten report to go with it it's

1537
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,520
just a it's just a voicemail

1538
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,559
it's without without a flight path

1539
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,319
and someone taking the time to make a

1540
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,480
drawing i don't think it's there i don't

1541
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,839
think it's enough

1542
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,440
you've got to have something on paper

1543
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,119
that you can fall back on

1544
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,599
the case could be true but without a

1545
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,839
drawing without an illustration

1546
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,839
without someone taking the time a lot of

1547
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,040
these drawings

1548
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,359
you can tell someone took the time they

1549
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,200
brought out their straight edge

1550
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,000
they they marked off the landmarks they

1551
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
put down where it was

1552
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,680
it adds so much more to the credibility

1553
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,359
of the case when you see that rather

1554
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,880
than just someone that calls in and

1555
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,480
makes a report

1556
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,640
right i've talked with peter dravenport

1557
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,920
and he basically says

1558
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,839
you know he gets tons of calls all the

1559
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,760
time right right um

1560
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,559
but he he's saying well you know you've

1561
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,000
got to take the time

1562
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,319
and fill out the report if you want you

1563
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,920
know you want to report this you have to

1564
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,119
take the time

1565
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,200
and it weeds out unfortunately weeds out

1566
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,720
a lot of people that don't want to take

1567
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:33,760
the time and

1568
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,799
that's kind of a uh it's kind of curious

1569
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,079
that people wouldn't

1570
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,920
move forward and spend the time to

1571
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:42,319
report it if they've gotten that far

1572
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:43,440
that they've called

1573
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,640
exactly yeah so um

1574
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,160
while you just mentioned about the

1575
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,559
drawings i mentioned earlier

1576
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,920
class fawn over in sweden he

1577
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,079
mentioned to me that he he and his wife

1578
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,640
had a ufo sighting

1579
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,440
and on their way home from a party late

1580
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,200
at night or something like that

1581
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,040
um he said to her in the car um

1582
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,200
don't talk about it and they got home

1583
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,559
and they each went in a separate room

1584
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,880
and wrote down exactly what they saw

1585
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,960
i think that was great advice i mean

1586
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,720
that's great advice for anyone

1587
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:19,520
quarantine the witnesses yes quarantine

1588
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,000
and

1589
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,000
right then immediately afterward

1590
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,839
because um i mean that's the advice i

1591
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,920
would give anyone if they had a sighting

1592
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,520
is to write everything down immediately

1593
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,280
afterwards before your you know while

1594
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:32,960
your memory is really

1595
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,559
fresh and sharp on what just happened

1596
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,599
that's my advice anyway and drawing

1597
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,079
why not even if you're a terrible drawer

1598
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,680
like you've actually seen

1599
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,880
some of those drawings that are pretty

1600
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,359
bad but there's still reference it's

1601
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,559
reference to go by

1602
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,480
that's right and look we can clean it up

1603
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,000
from there we can work from a

1604
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
rough pencil sketch that's fine that's

1605
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:55,520
what we do here you know yeah i'm good

1606
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,079
for that

1607
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,559
so yeah uh where do you want to move

1608
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,520
next for

1609
00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:02,640
um okay we're going to move to september

1610
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,160
10th

1611
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:06,400
1976 coluzza california

1612
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,920
okay you got it

1613
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,319
okay so now this is another

1614
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,079
well-documented site

1615
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,040
uh kufos has a report on it newspapers

1616
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,040
picked up on this as well

1617
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,960
all right so here's the setting it's

1618
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:22,720
around 11 30 p.m

1619
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,920
primary eyewitness is watching tv all of

1620
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,680
a sudden

1621
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,520
the tv conks out this is kalooza

1622
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:32,000
california tv conks out air conditioning

1623
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,359
conks out

1624
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,440
he's still in his shorts at this time so

1625
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,599
he walks out of his mobile home

1626
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,680
to the back unit where the circuit

1627
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,520
breaker box is thinking that one of the

1628
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:43,520
circuit breakers is blown

1629
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:46,960
and all of a sudden he notices that

1630
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,640
the hair on his arms the hair on his

1631
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:53,040
chest the hair on his head starts

1632
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,480
standing up on end

1633
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,119
the entire localized area is engulfed in

1634
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:58,960
this static electrical field

1635
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,240
so he looks up and he sees a 150 foot

1636
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,000
diameter disc shaped craft hovering

1637
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,440
above him

1638
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,160
this thing try to describe it it has

1639
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,160
this gun metal aluminum

1640
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,599
polished silver exterior on the top was

1641
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,480
a dome

1642
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,400
but martin it's not your standard dome

1643
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,760
it looks like a

1644
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,240
lemon juicer or an orange juicer

1645
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,400
something like that it has a concave rib

1646
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,960
rib section as it goes around the outer

1647
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,079
circumference of the dome

1648
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,079
that's what the dome looked like now on

1649
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,319
the bottom of this craft

1650
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,720
he said it had these dangling six

1651
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,359
conduit pipes that had frayed edges

1652
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,960
and then he said that there were two

1653
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:39,359
prong-like devices on either side of the

1654
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,319
craft

1655
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,079
now while this is going on there is a

1656
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,079
bright beaming spotlight coming out down

1657
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:45,680
to the bottom but he also

1658
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:49,119
saw martin two other craft identical to

1659
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,319
the first one

1660
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,240
that were half the diameter of the one

1661
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,680
that he was looking at

1662
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,400
and they were hovering over the nearby

1663
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,400
500 000 volt power line

1664
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,960
shining lights down to the power lines

1665
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:03,200
like they're sucking power off the power

1666
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,000
lines

1667
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,640
turning them cherry red in color so that

1668
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,040
was going on concurrently as his siding

1669
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,839
now next thing that happened is

1670
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,240
these strange dangling conduit pipes

1671
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,480
retracted into the bottom of the craft

1672
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,119
when that happened those two prong-like

1673
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,760
devices they retracted as well but only

1674
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,799
90 percent

1675
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:25,280
into the graphics showing the remaining

1676
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,319
10 percent

1677
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,000
when that happened there was a hatch

1678
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,400
that opened on either side of the craft

1679
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,799
and these gooseneck lights popped out

1680
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,720
shining down below

1681
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:37,680
so at this point he's startled he's

1682
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,400
shaking

1683
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,760
he runs back into the uh mobile home

1684
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,079
he wakes up his wife and two children

1685
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,920
that were sleeping

1686
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,559
and they kind of go to the far end of

1687
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,160
the room there where there's a a

1688
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,280
window so he draws the blinds open

1689
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:56,160
and he sees the two smaller craft kind

1690
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,559
of

1691
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,720
out into the backyard they're still

1692
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:00,319
sucking up power from the

1693
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,760
uh 500 000 volt power lines and then the

1694
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,559
large craft kind of like goes back in

1695
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,920
between the two

1696
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,520
and then what happened next is really

1697
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,280
interesting this large craft

1698
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
that's 150 feet in diameter it goes from

1699
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,000
a dead standstill

1700
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,440
to 24 nautical miles away to the rolling

1701
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,280
hills in the background

1702
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,200
stays there for about two seconds and

1703
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,400
then zips back

1704
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,799
all within four seconds total with no

1705
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:28,480
sonic boom whatsoever

1706
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,920
and this is all back in 1976 this was

1707
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,400
going on so at this point

1708
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:37,040
the primary eyewitness his name is pat

1709
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,440
he

1710
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,440
is said you know what we're done we're

1711
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,520
out of here so he gathers up his

1712
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,720
family short so he pulls on a

1713
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,799
junky pair of jeans they all jump into

1714
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:48,079
the pickup truck

1715
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,640
goes out of the garage

1716
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,280
and now he's racing down the black hot

1717
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,040
uh blacktop road

1718
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,520
going 90 miles an hour to get away from

1719
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,520
this large craft that's approaching the

1720
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:04,160
pickup truck this thing starts following

1721
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,640
them

1722
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:07,119
down the road goes off to the left of

1723
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,000
the pickup truck

1724
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,480
above the truck now on the right-hand

1725
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:11,280
side

1726
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:16,640
he eventually goes about two miles down

1727
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,359
the road to his neighbor's house

1728
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,000
screeches the brakes pulls to a stop

1729
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,000
piles out of the pickup truck starts

1730
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,760
banging on the door of the i would uh

1731
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,440
the neighbor's door

1732
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,680
and then two additional neighbors come

1733
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,799
out so you've got

1734
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:33,040
the primary eyewitness you've got his

1735
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,160
wife you've got the

1736
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,440
the two children so that's four plus the

1737
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,480
two additional witnesses so that's six

1738
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:43,760
all six eyewitnesses watch this large

1739
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,400
craft

1740
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,799
depart the area and so essentially in a

1741
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,720
nutshell that's the coluzza california

1742
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:50,400
case

1743
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:54,079
wow um this one i would say

1744
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,920
you wouldn't want to right off the bat

1745
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,160
say it's our own technology

1746
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,599
and i'll tell you that for a couple of

1747
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:01,200
reasons i would say this one in

1748
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,079
particular

1749
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,920
first of all why would it chase a

1750
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,119
vehicle uh

1751
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,599
right second of all it wouldn't need to

1752
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,599
take a power source

1753
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,720
you know i mean that would be uh that

1754
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,480
just wouldn't make sense

1755
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:17,200
um but that that's fascinating are you

1756
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,400
aware of uh

1757
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:21,119
you know i've heard of uh ufos seen

1758
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,839
sucking up

1759
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:24,079
water out of a lake or something like

1760
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,119
that but sure

1761
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,400
but never from a power line there's a

1762
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:30,319
couple other cases where we've seen now

1763
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,520
we don't know

1764
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,000
exac we think it's pulling power off or

1765
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:35,599
who knows for sure but it

1766
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,640
in the report it specifically states

1767
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040
that the power lines were turning cherry

1768
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:43,440
red in color i mean absolutely so

1769
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,880
it is by far a very powerful ce2

1770
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
case at the very minimum it's a very

1771
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:50,880
powerful ce2 case

1772
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:54,319
yeah and um his power went out did other

1773
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,440
people report

1774
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,599
the area blacked out the area the whole

1775
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,039
area there blacked out

1776
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,720
and that's kind of talked about in close

1777
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,960
encounters so that that checks out

1778
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:05,359
you know yeah what did steven really

1779
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,160
know who knows

1780
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:09,039
but yeah i know that there was a lot of

1781
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,839
uh

1782
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,640
bits and pieces of cases you know put in

1783
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,079
close encounters exactly

1784
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,079
exactly and now this this could have

1785
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,760
been one of them

1786
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,760
this is really amazing and i'm wondering

1787
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:22,319
how i've not never heard of this

1788
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,920
uh case before i mean it's so incredible

1789
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:28,079
yep it's in it's in the q fos archives

1790
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,200
for sure

1791
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,839
and newspapers picked it up as well do

1792
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:32,640
you know if the

1793
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,079
witnesses ever talked about this or

1794
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,640
you know the the gentleman that he

1795
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,240
jumped in the pickup truck has he talked

1796
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,839
about this publicly

1797
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:43,760
uh yeah it was it was published in the

1798
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,280
newspapers in fact i'll

1799
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:48,000
i'll pull up the uh here's the actual

1800
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:48,880
clipping it's

1801
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,960
sun harold coluzza california may 29

1802
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,799
1979 there's the actual newspaper

1803
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:56,400
clipping now that's the craft right

1804
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,359
there

1805
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,680
yeah you can see the sketch and uh

1806
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,720
that's what he saw

1807
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,240
and they were terrified they were

1808
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:04,559
absolutely terrified that's a terrifying

1809
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:05,680
looking

1810
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:09,119
uh craft yeah again uh for those uh

1811
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,000
listening

1812
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,960
i will uh post a video up um i'm gonna

1813
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,799
try to do the slideshow in order

1814
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,039
so you'd be able to see and follow along

1815
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:18,960
um you know and just at least see

1816
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:21,599
what some of these craft look like um

1817
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,400
and

1818
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,960
that that is uh just such a bizarre

1819
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,000
thing about the

1820
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:29,039
conduits and uh and then

1821
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,480
them all retracting and then for it to

1822
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,559
take off and to come back

1823
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:37,359
yep now it made no sonic boom when it

1824
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,000
did that

1825
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,640
so we're talking like a dead standstill

1826
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,000
to 24 miles away

1827
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,920
in less than two seconds and then

1828
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,839
repeated in less than two seconds with

1829
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,119
no sonic boom

1830
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:50,400
all back in 1976. did this uh

1831
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,720
actually come fairly close to him

1832
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,280
as well it was in his backyard yeah but

1833
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,200
when he when he originally saw he was

1834
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:01,280
maybe 150 feet away from it it was

1835
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:02,799
hovering above him

1836
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:05,440
so it was very close range when when the

1837
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:06,640
thing came back

1838
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,839
did he see when it left and came back

1839
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,680
did he see any type of disturbance at

1840
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,880
all on the ground did he mention

1841
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,559
anything like that i was too far away at

1842
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:16,319
that but that was way in his backyard at

1843
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:17,200
that point

1844
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:21,119
he was in a state of panic so i don't

1845
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,160
think he was

1846
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:24,400
concerned with what the exterior looked

1847
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,839
like then he was just concerned with

1848
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,520
getting his family piled in the truck

1849
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,039
and they were getting out of there

1850
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:31,359
and then in the report it talks about

1851
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,400
they actually said

1852
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,559
they were going 90 miles an hour down

1853
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,240
the road to get away from this thing and

1854
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,000
it was chasing their truck

1855
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,079
going above the cab of the truck to one

1856
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,760
side and then flipping back over to the

1857
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,280
other side this went on

1858
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,200
two or three times until he got to the

1859
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,880
neighbor's house and that's where it

1860
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,240
kind of ended there but

1861
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:50,400
he was in a state of panic so yeah i can

1862
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:51,280
see why

1863
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,400
that's a horrifying situation

1864
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,880
and and a real amazing one wow that's a

1865
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,240
great one

1866
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:00,480
yeah all right what do you want to do uh

1867
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,440
what would you like all right we're

1868
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:02,559
moving on to

1869
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,400
february 3rd 1983 mobile alabama

1870
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:09,440
oh this one i love yep yeah uh yeah

1871
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,839
that's

1872
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,839
exactly correct you guys heard of this

1873
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:13,520
one uh i remember

1874
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,960
looking into it um i think there's been

1875
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,799
someone talked about this or something

1876
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,079
that maybe

1877
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,000
possibly at a conference or something

1878
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:23,839
that was very familiar

1879
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,400
this was talk this was written up in

1880
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:28,240
nycap's report i've got the nightcap

1881
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:29,200
report here

1882
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,720
so just again february 3rd 1983 mobile

1883
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,920
alabama

1884
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:36,559
uh the primary eyewitness had just

1885
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,200
finished a

1886
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,359
dinner engagement she was driving home

1887
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:41,440
she had about 90 minutes to go

1888
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:44,799
far away and all of a sudden she hears

1889
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:45,440
this

1890
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,079
booming noise her car starts shaking

1891
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,760
she pulls off to the side of the road

1892
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,359
she stops the vehicle

1893
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:55,680
she gets out of the car she looks under

1894
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,559
her vehicle

1895
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,640
thinking the transmission came out or

1896
01:06:01,029 --> 01:06:00,240
something everything seemed to be okay

1897
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,039
there

1898
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,799
so she gets back in the car she drives

1899
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,960
another half mile forward on the road

1900
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,440
kind of makes a little turn and then off

1901
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:09,280
to the right there's a clearing and she

1902
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:10,160
sees

1903
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,280
this craft in front of her uh it's dark

1904
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,720
in color

1905
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:16,880
she described it the report states that

1906
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,079
this thing was about 276 feet in length

1907
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,440
it was 80 feet tall as it tapered near

1908
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,079
the back it kind of tapered and teared

1909
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:27,839
up like a wedding cake

1910
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,400
and uh the top section at the very top

1911
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:32,000
will start at the top here it had a

1912
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,280
transparent

1913
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,000
dome section with a cut out window and

1914
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,839
inside this cutout window it was

1915
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,319
lit from inside and she said there were

1916
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:42,319
there was these humanoid looking beings

1917
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,200
that had

1918
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:45,039
little bit larger heads they were

1919
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,559
wearing these one-piece

1920
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,640
tight-fitting flight suits very tight

1921
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,119
fitting they were all white in color

1922
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:53,200
she said that the atmosphere they were

1923
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:56,799
in looked antiseptically sterile

1924
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,760
and she said that just below that

1925
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:01,520
section there was another transparent

1926
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,400
section below

1927
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,480
that there were these pork holes that

1928
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,920
varied in diameter

1929
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,640
below the portholes there were these six

1930
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,839
foot by six foot

1931
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:12,160
boxes protruding out of these boxes

1932
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:13,119
where these

1933
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,960
cylindrical devices that look like

1934
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,039
cannons to her she described them as

1935
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,960
weaponry don't know if that's what it

1936
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:21,039
was but she definitely described that

1937
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:24,640
now below these cylinders she said that

1938
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:25,359
she could see

1939
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,720
a door closing from right to left and it

1940
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,480
had ribs on it

1941
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,960
on the inside of this section she said

1942
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:34,640
that what looked like a quote-unquote

1943
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,119
martin

1944
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,720
a asphalt road black asphalt road

1945
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,680
and on the left wall of this she said

1946
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:43,280
that she could see

1947
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,960
what she termed pipes tubes cylinders

1948
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:49,280
and i've seen this martin multiple times

1949
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:50,400
now i've got at least

1950
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,359
14 separate cases within the files where

1951
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,599
eyewitnesses are describing these pipes

1952
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,200
great job great job you went right to

1953
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,799
the next one that was great they're

1954
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,280
describing pipes and cylinders and

1955
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,440
tubes a lot of these eyewitnesses say

1956
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,119
that these things look like

1957
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,839
the inside of a midas muffler shop they

1958
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,520
describe this

1959
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,240
now below this asphalt road there was

1960
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,680
two gondolas

1961
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,080
with the same five foot ten

1962
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,920
tight-fitting flight suit beings that

1963
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:18,960
were walking around

1964
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,440
oblivious to her below so two of these

1965
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,880
gondolas and then

1966
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,400
on the upper section of these

1967
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,319
transparent gondolas there was what

1968
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,000
described as being

1969
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,880
24 inch by 24 inch highly polished

1970
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:31,600
reflective

1971
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,960
mirrors that were configured in a cross

1972
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,799
configuration now while all this is

1973
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,679
going on

1974
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,679
she's walking up to this craft and she

1975
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,520
could see through the quote-unquote

1976
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,359
portholes

1977
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,159
and martin she says that the entire

1978
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,080
exterior of this craft

1979
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,279
was put together with fasteners or

1980
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,679
rivets she described and looking through

1981
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:55,440
these portholes she said it looked like

1982
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,560
a shipping yard

1983
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:59,279
or a dry dock she could see bulkheads

1984
01:09:02,870 --> 01:08:59,600
and

1985
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,880
very high beams like industrial that was

1986
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,120
the interior of this crap now this thing

1987
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,520
departed at a slow rate of speed from

1988
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,359
her location so that's essentially the

1989
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:11,279
sighting

1990
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,600
wow uh yeah this one is a real good one

1991
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:16,640
and

1992
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:20,080
as far as did they

1993
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:24,640
ever um they never acknowledged or never

1994
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,679
you know saw that no and that she was

1995
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,679
looking below no she said that they were

1996
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:31,520
oblivious to her

1997
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:34,000
and what about her i mean was she not

1998
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:34,560
afraid

1999
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,480
hoping it would come closer she looked

2000
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,719
through the portholes that were near

2001
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,719
her location because she could see

2002
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,000
through the craft

2003
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,679
she said that she could see one end of

2004
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,359
the craft through to the other

2005
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:49,759
and inside it looked like it's like

2006
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,120
you're building a 1942 vintage world war

2007
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,159
ii battleship

2008
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,960
it had bulkheads it had cross beams it

2009
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,560
had girders you know

2010
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,239
very mechanical structure on the

2011
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,760
interior

2012
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:04,239
any other witnesses no she was the only

2013
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,120
one

2014
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,040
yeah i'm trying to remember who brought

2015
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,280
this up at a

2016
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,120
conference i was at on this particular

2017
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:12,560
one but

2018
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:16,400
i i love this one uh as soon as i saw

2019
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:17,440
the picture when you send me the

2020
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,159
pictures i

2021
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:20,560
i remembered hearing about it and and

2022
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:21,199
seeing

2023
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,480
shame that uh

2024
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:29,440
um it was she wasn't able to you know

2025
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,080
photograph

2026
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,600
it somehow that'd be great yeah and a

2027
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:33,360
credit goes to john mcneil for this one

2028
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,080
but

2029
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,520
that we're seeing a pattern recognition

2030
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,239
again here

2031
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,239
so you've got the cross beams you've got

2032
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,600
the rivets

2033
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,760
you've got the pipes and cylinders so

2034
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,840
that's being repeated in these multiple

2035
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:47,679
cases from different locations

2036
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,560
different time frames yeah and you know

2037
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:52,239
some people have seen these craft and

2038
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:52,800
they

2039
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,159
any kind

2040
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:59,120
that wasn't the case here yeah i love it

2041
01:11:01,189 --> 01:11:00,560
with the rivets and everything looks

2042
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:01,199
like

2043
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,719
something that's right

2044
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,199
that's right and uh yeah and it's hard

2045
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,360
to believe something like this can

2046
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:11,600
just float there and then it is hard to

2047
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,719
believe yes

2048
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,040
yeah yeah it's a great one what are your

2049
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,960
thoughts on this one what

2050
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:19,360
you know if again i'm asking you to

2051
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,320
speculate

2052
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,880
sure well when you when you look at the

2053
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,400
eyewitness reports

2054
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,040
when they describe what the underside of

2055
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,560
these vehicles look like and we're going

2056
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,560
to talk about another one of these here

2057
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,480
i'm just going by what the eyewitnesses

2058
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:34,000
describe you know when you talk about

2059
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,120
the rivets

2060
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,000
the bulkheads the fact that it has lit

2061
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:40,000
porthole windows the pipes and the

2062
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,960
cylinders

2063
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,040
a lot of times there was this electrical

2064
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:45,840
humming noise

2065
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,520
put that together martin it looks like

2066
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,600
we're dealing with a terrestrial

2067
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:52,960
technology here now

2068
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:56,320
maybe it's something from a civilization

2069
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,600
long since the past that's possible but

2070
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,360
it just keeps on coming up again and

2071
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:03,920
again these same repeating patterns

2072
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,719
keep on popping up in multiple cases

2073
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:11,440
wow wow i think that's fascinating that

2074
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,719
she wasn't scared at all

2075
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,880
no she wasn't nope she walked up even

2076
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,400
closer to it

2077
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:19,199
yeah i wonder if she had a flashlight

2078
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,840
and flashed it it would be a little

2079
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:23,280
different it'd be great to see a photo

2080
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,320
of this thing yes

2081
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:26,480
yeah wouldn't it be wow yeah that's a

2082
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:27,360
great case

2083
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,800
move on to the

2084
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,679
okay so the next moving on to 1994

2085
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,600
buxton england

2086
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:38,640
all right that's this one here

2087
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,600
yep okay so we we don't have the exact

2088
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,679
month the newspaper clipping only gave

2089
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,239
the year so i know it was 1994.

2090
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,920
i know that that is the the correct

2091
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,440
location buxton

2092
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,840
so the the report indicates that this

2093
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,760
person was driving down the road

2094
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:56,080
about 5 30 in the morning he i guess

2095
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,440
he's going to work

2096
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:00,400
and he sees these beaming spotlights

2097
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,080
approach his vehicle

2098
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,040
he goes around a turn to kind of skirt

2099
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,120
the edge of a bridge

2100
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:10,000
and then what he sees next is this 60

2101
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,719
foot long

2102
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,719
elliptical shaped craft with a notch cut

2103
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,000
out of the back of it

2104
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,320
there are two beaming spotlights in

2105
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,880
front beaming ahead he stops the car

2106
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:21,040
it's hovering about 50 feet above his

2107
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,840
vehicle

2108
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:24,000
he rolls down the window so he'll be on

2109
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,280
the right side because it's

2110
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,360
england so he's on the right side he's

2111
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:28,880
looking up at this crap

2112
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:32,560
and he says that the bottom of the craft

2113
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,840
was completely comprised of pipes in

2114
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:38,880
cylinders in tubes it looked like

2115
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,080
silencers and then this thing flew away

2116
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,360
at a kind of a medium rate of speed

2117
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,960
that's essentially the sighting in a

2118
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,880
nutshell but again the same

2119
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,960
type report again these pipes and

2120
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:52,159
cylinders this

2121
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,679
notch cut out of the back it looked like

2122
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,080
a flying horseshoe in a nutshell

2123
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,800
that's essentially this case yeah and

2124
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,000
you don't hear a lot

2125
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:02,719
of uh i've talked about this you know

2126
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:03,360
there's not

2127
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:06,480
a ton of cases in uh in brit

2128
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,840
and uh in england uh

2129
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,360
you know mostly because of the weather

2130
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:13,199
there i mean that's what i've been told

2131
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,159
actually by

2132
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:16,080
uh people that live there they say they

2133
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,280
don't have a high

2134
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,679
amount of cases this looks like you know

2135
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,679
the illustration anyway like it was a

2136
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,480
a clear night and so they actually saw

2137
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:25,840
this

2138
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:30,480
but the report says that there was a

2139
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,120
virtual

2140
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,120
air show going on not a real air show

2141
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,040
but a show of these things

2142
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,760
these were reported multiple times at

2143
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,960
that time

2144
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,120
in that particular area so he wasn't the

2145
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,040
only one apparently who saw that

2146
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,840
and for some reason in 94 there was a

2147
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,560
flap

2148
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:49,440
of these craft in england at the time

2149
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,320
wow

2150
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,080
and and that's that's kind of curious

2151
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:55,120
there also why there are flaps

2152
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,800
you know why the why if there is a

2153
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,679
technology

2154
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,600
that's actually visiting us from

2155
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,960
somewhere and

2156
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,960
i'm not talking about our own technology

2157
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,320
but just say

2158
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,960
their extraterrestrial whatever they are

2159
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,480
um

2160
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,640
it's really weird that they concentrate

2161
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,000
themselves in

2162
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,679
one area um if they can travel so fast

2163
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,600
exactly yes yeah what do you think

2164
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,960
that's about

2165
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,400
if you had to get they're doing a test

2166
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,400
flight for some reason at that area

2167
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,960
don't know for sure yeah but they they

2168
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,480
definitely talk about how there were

2169
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,840
multiple sightings

2170
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,000
in that particular area so everything

2171
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,600
seemed to be focused

2172
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,080
just during that time frame yeah then

2173
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:37,760
you have the belgian wave you know that

2174
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:38,000
was

2175
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,199
all uh you know seen over and over again

2176
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,360
in that one particular area

2177
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:46,159
it i never really get that the hot spots

2178
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:47,040
why

2179
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,440
you know if it's if it's not something

2180
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:51,760
like you said we're testing or whatever

2181
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,080
right

2182
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:55,520
and so i see the next one is uh 2001.

2183
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:59,040
yep let's go to 2001. now in this case

2184
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,719
martin i actually interviewed the

2185
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,719
primary eyewitness so i got it directly

2186
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,760
from him

2187
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,040
uh it's april 2001 don't have the exact

2188
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,000
date in april but 2001 o'hare airport

2189
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,080
there were four eyewitnesses

2190
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,239
they were working at a location at the

2191
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:16,320
airport something called the ozark

2192
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,280
hangar

2193
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:20,239
it had just this is early in the morning

2194
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,960
it had just

2195
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,280
rained so the tarmac was wet where they

2196
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,640
were working was wet

2197
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,360
and all four witnesses now in this

2198
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:29,199
illustration it looks more like a cigar

2199
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,880
shaped craft but if you have a top view

2200
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:32,000
looking down

2201
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,760
it's more of a complete flying saucer so

2202
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,400
this thing flew by and you know what

2203
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,800
they described is 50 feet in diameter

2204
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,600
it had a series of 12 elongated porthole

2205
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:45,280
windows wrapping around the outer

2206
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,239
circumference

2207
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:48,480
he said that there was a bubble trans

2208
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:49,679
transparent canopy

2209
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,880
up front that was back lit from inside

2210
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,600
it had kind of a circular porthole

2211
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:57,440
opening but really not an opening

2212
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,080
at the top but then he said as it flew

2213
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,199
by

2214
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,600
made a 45 degree angle then continued

2215
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:05,199
out on its flight path

2216
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,199
he said that he saw these dangling

2217
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:11,679
octopus tentacles off the back end of

2218
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,239
this thing

2219
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,640
at the end of these tentacles there was

2220
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,000
what looked like a 12-inch

2221
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:18,880
diameter ball or sphere and these things

2222
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,320
were moving around

2223
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,320
like they were alive he kept on saying

2224
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,120
that the thing looked like it was living

2225
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,440
now while all this is going on all four

2226
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,199
eyewitnesses heard this low

2227
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:32,400
rumbling in the background this was a

2228
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,760
747 on takeoff roll at o'hare airport

2229
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:38,320
this craft flew right over the active

2230
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,280
runway

2231
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,320
within a matter of seconds the 747 took

2232
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,080
off so if this happened just prior

2233
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,679
to there would have been a mid-air

2234
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,520
collision so

2235
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,280
just one point i'm making here though is

2236
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,679
that here again we see these spires

2237
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,840
with these balls at the end of them this

2238
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:55,040
is going i've got a late

2239
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:58,320
12 separate cases of these as well

2240
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,280
amazing and the fact that uh you know

2241
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,199
this happened at o'hare

2242
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:06,320
right you know uh five years before the

2243
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,760
famed uh gate c 17 i think it is

2244
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,800
uh exciting in 2006. um

2245
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:15,040
and you know it's amazing two two

2246
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,239
sightings at one

2247
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,280
airport um that's right wow and

2248
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,520
so there were only four witnesses four

2249
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,880
witnesses saw it yes

2250
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,800
and no one knows if this actually showed

2251
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,000
up on their radar

2252
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,600
don't know don't know i don't know if

2253
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,520
there's anything from the top the tower

2254
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,880
or anything but

2255
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:33,040
they're they're we're literally talking

2256
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:34,719
about seconds away from a midair

2257
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,600
collision

2258
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,280
because this thing perhaps could have

2259
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,120
hit it we don't know for sure but

2260
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,360
he said that he heard the rumbling of

2261
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,440
the 747 in the background and then this

2262
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,199
thing took off so

2263
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:48,320
very close proximity yeah

2264
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,000
you know other people have uh reported

2265
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:54,719
that something looked alive as well you

2266
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,000
know you hear about

2267
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,440
the jellyfish type you know ufos and

2268
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,760
things like that and that's just such

2269
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:03,360
another

2270
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:06,560
bizarre side story on uh on

2271
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,719
what people have reported so they were

2272
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,239
like driving

2273
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,679
these yeah it's a similar configuration

2274
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,400
to the temple oklahoma case of 66 where

2275
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,239
it had the spire as well

2276
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,880
so that's being repeated in this 2001

2277
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:22,480
case

2278
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,600
wow that turns really interesting and

2279
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,960
uh yeah i'm surprised that

2280
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,400
and i don't know if you know this or not

2281
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,120
but can someone get

2282
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,600
you know radar information through the

2283
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,280
freedom of information

2284
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:40,400
i think you can i think you can i wonder

2285
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,520
if anyone's ever going to

2286
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,800
try to look into getting that uh

2287
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,719
that date oh they don't know exactly the

2288
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,719
exact date that's a problem

2289
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:51,040
yep all he could remember is april time

2290
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,480
frame 2001

2291
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,480
early in the morning i guess you could

2292
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:56,159
track it by the weather if you could

2293
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,640
find out what the weather was on that

2294
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,440
morning

2295
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,120
it'd be possible it wouldn't be

2296
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,800
impossible but

2297
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,400
it could be done probably you'd have to

2298
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,800
do some digging i know that uh

2299
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,639
when you're applying for freedom of

2300
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,400
information you have to be

2301
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,719
very exact about everything exactly so

2302
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,560
if you have something like can i have

2303
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,639
the state to that date they wouldn't

2304
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:18,320
even respond to you yeah

2305
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:21,760
that's what i understand anyway wow okay

2306
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,040
so we now we have the 2000 yep 12.

2307
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,320
let's go there all right okay so

2308
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:31,360
credit goes to david marlar for giving

2309
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:32,639
me this case

2310
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,199
so i got to give him credit now the

2311
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,360
report is it's a four-page report

2312
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,600
it includes a very rough original sketch

2313
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:41,360
which i redraw

2314
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,040
and then tom bogan did this illustration

2315
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,840
so now this is a this case happened

2316
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,440
multiple times now the primary

2317
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,199
eyewitness stated that

2318
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,440
he saw this triangular shaped craft it

2319
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:55,840
was about 160 feet across it had

2320
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,920
rounded corners so you've got a triangle

2321
01:21:02,870 --> 01:20:59,600
with rounded corners

2322
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:02,880
it hovered over the little putting river

2323
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,280
area that's near hubbard oregon that's

2324
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,040
the vicinity of this thing

2325
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,440
where this took place and what he stated

2326
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,120
happened is

2327
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,920
there was about a four foot to five foot

2328
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:14,560
diameter

2329
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:17,199
clear transparent tube that retracted

2330
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,040
from the bottom of this craft

2331
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,520
it started sucking up water and then

2332
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,920
immediately afterwards

2333
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:26,000
water started spraying down from the

2334
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,239
edges of that tube back into the river

2335
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,440
and then these three relief valves

2336
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,159
popped out and they were spraying water

2337
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,040
as well concurrently as the tube was now

2338
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,800
while all this is going on there were

2339
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,080
three lights

2340
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,159
going going around the outer portion of

2341
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:44,719
this craft he said that there was

2342
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,679
cut out windows running along the

2343
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,960
forward section of it

2344
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,880
with a light going back and forth he

2345
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:52,560
also said there was kind of a

2346
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,760
a sloped dome with curved windows on top

2347
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,679
that he could see as well but while all

2348
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,040
this is going on

2349
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:01,199
he said that the sound this thing was

2350
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:02,960
making was like a

2351
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,320
chunk or chunk of a washing machine

2352
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,560
and this thing would repeat the cycle

2353
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,159
multiple times

2354
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,400
until it got done with itself whatever

2355
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,600
it was doing

2356
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,120
pulling up the water in tanks or

2357
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,520
something and once it was finished

2358
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,920
that tube on the bottom would retract in

2359
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,440
the bottom of the craft

2360
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,600
these relief valves would retract up and

2361
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,360
then this thing would depart now on

2362
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:28,239
one of these sightings it was there for

2363
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,760
about 15 minutes

2364
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,080
so the primary eyewitness went over to

2365
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,600
the sheriff's department

2366
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:36,000
he actually got the sheriff to come with

2367
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,840
and the sheriff saw it too so it's a

2368
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,800
multiple

2369
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,560
witness sighting for this particular

2370
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,280
case wow has the sheriff ever

2371
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,280
spoken about this not not to my

2372
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,199
knowledge but he's aware of it

2373
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,199
he's definitely aware of it the report

2374
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,280
didn't indicate anything that he

2375
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:54,400
stated but he did see it he did see it

2376
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,719
so

2377
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,880
maybe there's a police report not sure

2378
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,960
it doesn't talk about in the report but

2379
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,560
at the very least there's two

2380
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,159
eyewitnesses that saw it

2381
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:03,840
and one eyewitness claims that it

2382
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:06,560
happened on multiple occasions yeah

2383
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,159
uh my friend lee spiegel does his own

2384
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,120
show called edge of reality yeah it's on

2385
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:15,520
thursday nights on

2386
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,280
on kgra radio and there's archives and i

2387
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,280
suggest to the listener out there to

2388
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,760
check out last week's archive when he

2389
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:25,440
had dave marlar on

2390
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:28,960
because he also has the police officer

2391
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,480
that was with him when he had his 1975

2392
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:35,040
triangle sighting they witnessed it

2393
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,920
together

2394
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:38,000
so uh check out that episode it's uh

2395
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,280
it's fascinating it's a good

2396
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:42,480
it's a good okay um

2397
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,840
so this happened in 2012.

2398
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:48,480
correct um i have heard a number of

2399
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,360
cases

2400
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:51,280
where this type of thing happens not in

2401
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:52,719
this type of detail

2402
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,840
but i um where people have reported over

2403
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:58,400
lakes that they've actually seen water

2404
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:58,880
um

2405
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,080
being drawn up into these craft

2406
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,719
um and that would make me think that

2407
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,960
also this is not our own technology

2408
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:09,040
why would we have that unless we're

2409
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:10,320
experimenting with you know

2410
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,920
fire control right but

2411
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,840
it doesn't seem to me this doesn't seem

2412
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:17,360
like something that would be our

2413
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,239
technology well within within the gray

2414
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,320
barker collection in clarksburg west

2415
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:23,760
virginia they have a whole

2416
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:26,639
section of the auto binder reports and

2417
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,520
there are

2418
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,679
very similar reports of these water

2419
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,199
pumper ufos

2420
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,800
in that collection as well so that's

2421
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:34,400
where you can track the references for

2422
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:35,679
those

2423
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:38,800
well yeah and uh just the

2424
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,159
lights moving around you're saying

2425
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,840
they're like orbs is that what you yep

2426
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,760
they were they were lit orbs and when it

2427
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,600
was done with whatever it was doing

2428
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:47,360
they merged with the craft and then the

2429
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,310
i love this one wow this is really great

2430
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,800
so now let's go on to um you're going to

2431
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,000
have to share your screen again

2432
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:00,719
yeah sure and uh let's go on to some of

2433
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:01,840
the other

2434
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:05,760
yeah your screen okay so let's see here

2435
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,880
um when i go into here

2436
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:11,520
does that work not yet but i'll keep an

2437
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,040
eye out for it sure but

2438
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,159
um it should pop up soon just uh just

2439
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:17,840
take your time and do that

2440
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,719
uh okay and have you researched while

2441
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:21,760
we're doing that and you're trying to

2442
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,320
figure out

2443
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:24,639
i'm gonna ask you to do two things at

2444
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:25,600
once here

2445
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,639
have you uh besides kufos have you done

2446
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:31,120
some further research you did bring up

2447
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,000
some you know

2448
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,880
a few other places like project bookcase

2449
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:36,320
and stuff like that yeah i

2450
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:40,000
uh spent a lot of time in mufon archives

2451
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,360
and all the leonard stringfield

2452
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:43,920
collections um we've got the entire

2453
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:47,120
nycap collection basically resource

2454
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,920
centers

2455
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,000
all around the country uh gray barker

2456
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,080
ufo collection clarksburg west virginia

2457
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,000
they have an entire floor

2458
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:57,679
dedicated to material there's about 12

2459
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,880
i'd say 12 cabinets there so that's a

2460
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:01,679
resource

2461
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:04,400
um but again a lot of these collections

2462
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,080
they get thrown out

2463
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,159
it's gone to history now

2464
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:13,120
so yeah yeah that happens that's why you

2465
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:14,400
know i mean things can happen with the

2466
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,280
fire and

2467
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:16,960
you know that's why it's always really

2468
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,280
great when they get into an institution

2469
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:21,600
like the mcdonald you know collection

2470
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:22,800
for one yep

2471
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:25,040
in tucson correct yeah i see so you're

2472
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,239
having a little trouble sharing your

2473
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,520
screen

2474
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,000
all right so let's see i've got i've got

2475
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,560
the falcon lake case pulled up right now

2476
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,880
oh i love that one you you can't see

2477
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,719
that yet right no i'm not seeing it i

2478
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,440
can't see

2479
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:40,480
that okay so let's see i'm here

2480
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,360
share so there it goes okay there it

2481
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:45,760
goes how about now

2482
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,960
okay good okay all right okay so let's

2483
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,719
move on to this one

2484
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,560
this is as you know martin this is a

2485
01:26:56,189 --> 01:26:53,840
very famous case

2486
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:56,199
this is falcon lake canada may 19th

2487
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,679
1967.

2488
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,440
stephen mekolek is the primary

2489
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:01,600
eyewitness um

2490
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:03,760
bottom line is he was a rock hound he

2491
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,239
was collecting gems and minerals so he

2492
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,480
had on his plaid shirt he had

2493
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,719
leather gloves on he actually had a

2494
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:11,920
welder's

2495
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:14,800
helmet on as well just prospecting

2496
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,840
looking around

2497
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,440
so in the background he hears this

2498
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:19,760
commercial commotion from some birds

2499
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,880
he looks up and he sees two

2500
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,120
dish shaped craft that are about 40 feet

2501
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:27,120
in diameter one of them departs the

2502
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:27,679
other one

2503
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,639
lands about 150 feet from his location

2504
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:33,360
so he walks over to it

2505
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,639
it is this essentially seamless craft

2506
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,639
about 40 feet in diameter it has an

2507
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,760
upper dome

2508
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:41,520
around the outer circumference of the

2509
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,199
upper dome there is these

2510
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:46,320
elongated slot cutouts within there

2511
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:49,520
so he's walking up to the craft and

2512
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:53,679
all of a sudden this hatch opens up

2513
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:57,040
and this violent violent uh colored

2514
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,000
light comes out

2515
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,440
kind of a purplish violet light and he's

2516
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:04,000
looking in the craft and he hears kind

2517
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,480
of this

2518
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,199
intelligible language he can't

2519
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,800
understand what the language it's some

2520
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,800
kind of foreign language so he

2521
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:13,760
repeats back in english in german in

2522
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:14,320
french

2523
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:16,719
and polish is there anybody there

2524
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:18,080
there's no answer

2525
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,480
all of a sudden this door slammed shut

2526
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:22,480
if you thought that was kind of rude

2527
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:25,120
and then this craft lifts off the ground

2528
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:26,000
about a foot

2529
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,440
and then makes this counterclockwise

2530
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,719
motion and then this other section which

2531
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,960
is about

2532
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:38,080
nine inches by six inches it has a very

2533
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:38,800
specific

2534
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:42,080
hole pattern this part lines up with

2535
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,280
where he's standing

2536
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:46,239
and it's either a chemical exhaust or a

2537
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,840
hot air exhaust

2538
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,920
immediately comes out of this section

2539
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:51,360
and burns him

2540
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,400
sets his clothes on fire uh immediately

2541
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,000
after that portion he had

2542
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:58,639
years of medical issues associated with

2543
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,440
this

2544
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,560
and the burn pattern on his chest

2545
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,560
matched the whole pitch of the craft

2546
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:06,639
itself and then this thing departed so

2547
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,080
that's essentially the falcon lake

2548
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:09,440
encounter

2549
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:13,840
wow um and and he became i believe he

2550
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:14,320
became

2551
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:18,159
is the

2552
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:20,000
shot of him looking inside the craft

2553
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:21,199
itself oh yeah he

2554
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,719
he had definite physical effects uh they

2555
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,159
they absolutely burn

2556
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,000
the portion of his chest and these burn

2557
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:30,000
marks went away and came back again

2558
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,679
multiple times

2559
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,760
and what was he doing with that with

2560
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:35,520
that welders

2561
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,080
he was trying to protect his eyes as he

2562
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:40,239
was chipping rocks away

2563
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,600
i see that's why he had that uh yeah

2564
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:45,760
all right yep all right what i'm going

2565
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:46,639
to do is uh

2566
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,679
now did he have any long long-term

2567
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:51,040
effects i know i've talked about this

2568
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:51,600
case

2569
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,480
oh yeah yeah yeah he went to the doctors

2570
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,159
for years afterwards in fact

2571
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,719
he was very disoriented it took him

2572
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:00,239
hours to get back home

2573
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,440
so again this is another ce2 case

2574
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,760
very solid could could be the most solid

2575
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,760
ce2 case there is

2576
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,400
wow okay i'm just putting this image up

2577
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:11,840
overlaying it on top

2578
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:14,880
uh this was the grid uh for those uh on

2579
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,440
youtube

2580
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:17,760
this was the grid that he was burning

2581
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,239
this is when he was mostly recovered

2582
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:22,320
um you know it's a later image but

2583
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,440
anyway

2584
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:26,080
uh and his clothes didn't they save his

2585
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:26,880
clothes too

2586
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,800
i think they did now he some people

2587
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:30,400
don't know but he actually wrote a book

2588
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:31,040
about it's

2589
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,719
very obscure uh david marlar has a copy

2590
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,000
in his collection

2591
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,080
it's very obscure but he describes the

2592
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,480
entire case in detail

2593
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:42,880
wow yeah and what about the

2594
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:44,239
believability did

2595
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,760
did he get um you know did he get

2596
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,760
debunked or people try to debunk this

2597
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:51,120
story a lot do you know

2598
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,280
i've read some comments about this and

2599
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:54,880
and one of these comments i think

2600
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:58,159
makes sense to me it's kind of something

2601
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,639
that

2602
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,320
might go against the case but i'm just

2603
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,000
going to bring it up either way

2604
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:05,280
so when you're talking about

2605
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:08,000
air flows and aerodynamics and things

2606
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,440
like that

2607
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,480
when air comes out of a hole it

2608
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:14,480
dissipates immediately

2609
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,000
so for him to have such a focused

2610
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:21,040
burn seems a little bit not saying it's

2611
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:22,239
not true but

2612
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:23,760
the air would immediately have

2613
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:26,239
dissipated and would not have stayed

2614
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:29,120
in this beautifully pitched hole pattern

2615
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:30,639
but if it was a chemical thing that

2616
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,080
might have been different but that was

2617
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,400
what one person had talked about which

2618
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,080
seems to make sense

2619
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,920
you would think that coming out of this

2620
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,840
port the air would have dissipated

2621
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:41,600
immediately would never been able to be

2622
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:43,120
focused enough to make that but

2623
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:45,120
again maybe it's possible but that was

2624
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:47,920
one counter to the case that i did here

2625
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:50,719
yeah it would you know the only way

2626
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:51,840
something could

2627
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:54,880
remain focused like that focused right

2628
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:57,920
possibly if it was a high pressure you

2629
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:59,040
know i mean that is

2630
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,560
the higher the pressure the less it

2631
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:02,320
would dissipate um

2632
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,000
you know depending on how close he was

2633
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:05,440
to it so

2634
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:07,040
my understanding that he actually he

2635
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,960
touched the craft himself it burned the

2636
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,840
glove

2637
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:11,600
and then that's when he got burned as

2638
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,840
well when this when the part lined up

2639
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:15,360
with him that's where he got burned so

2640
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:17,199
he actually touched the crap so

2641
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,239
you know it's a very powerful ce2 case

2642
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:23,040
yeah yeah i love that one wow

2643
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:24,719
interesting

2644
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:27,600
and again this credit goes to your

2645
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:29,199
that's tom bogan yep

2646
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:32,080
yeah now he did these digitally yeah

2647
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,760
these are all done in photoshop

2648
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:36,320
from the original sketches so we'd spend

2649
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:38,239
hours talking about the case i'd send

2650
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,000
them all the reference material all the

2651
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:42,159
drawings the report and then you know

2652
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,760
like a lot of these cases that it took

2653
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:45,840
weeks to do it this is not easy work i

2654
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:46,719
mean it's

2655
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:48,560
down in the trenches and pulling out all

2656
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:49,760
the detail and

2657
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,400
you know i kind of had to run how these

2658
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,000
things should look and then we went back

2659
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:56,400
and forth it took years to get all this

2660
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:57,440
pinned down

2661
01:33:00,950 --> 01:33:00,239
well i bet that uh where do you want to

2662
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:00,960
go next and

2663
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,440
okay so we can certainly talk about

2664
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,639
lonnie zamora

2665
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,480
oh yeah i love that coral new mexico

2666
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:08,000
yeah we can talk about that

2667
01:33:14,350 --> 01:33:11,040
so i think most people are aware uh

2668
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:14,360
this is the famous lonnie zamora case

2669
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:18,239
1964. so he's the case starts with him

2670
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:21,280
chasing a speeder he sees something fly

2671
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,159
overhead

2672
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:24,800
and so he gives up the chase he follows

2673
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:25,520
this craft

2674
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:28,719
kind of down his bend area he eventually

2675
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:29,199
gets

2676
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:31,920
fairly close to it and what he sees it's

2677
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:32,480
about a

2678
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:35,760
20 foot long elliptical egg shaped craft

2679
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:36,320
it's

2680
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,800
white in color there were four pogo

2681
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,320
landing gear legs

2682
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:43,360
supporting this craft uh then he saw

2683
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,000
he said he saw at least two small

2684
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,920
stature beings that were in white

2685
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:50,719
tight-fitting flight suits now when they

2686
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:52,880
saw that he was being seen by lonnie

2687
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:53,920
zamora

2688
01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:56,960
they disappeared into the craft

2689
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:59,600
and then this thing basically hovered

2690
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:00,000
off

2691
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,920
was there for about 60 seconds and then

2692
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:03,440
departed but he also said that there

2693
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,880
were flames

2694
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,560
associated with the bottom of the craft

2695
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,320
that scorched the earth

2696
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,239
and then blue book investigators got

2697
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:12,159
there the air force got there they took

2698
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,320
photographs of the landing marks they

2699
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:16,639
took photographs of the burn marks

2700
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:19,199
so it's another ce2 case that's very

2701
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,159
credible

2702
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,239
and the reason why this is such a good

2703
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:24,639
case is because of the reliability

2704
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:27,040
the credibility of lani zamora he was

2705
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:28,320
never questioned

2706
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:30,239
on his integrity and that's what makes

2707
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:31,679
this case solid

2708
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,400
yeah and uh jay allen heineck actually

2709
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,560
investigated this personally

2710
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:39,040
and um when i was speaking to ray

2711
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,320
stanford he

2712
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,880
um he was there you know when jay allen

2713
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:44,320
heineck was there they were both there

2714
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:46,400
at the same time uh

2715
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,920
so ray tells this story of

2716
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:51,600
spying kind of when they're looking

2717
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:53,199
around you know the burnt creosote

2718
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:54,159
bushes right

2719
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:57,760
right and the indentations he spies

2720
01:35:01,910 --> 01:35:00,960
a little bit of a reflection on one of

2721
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:01,920
the rocks

2722
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:05,199
that was in an indentation so

2723
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:08,400
he uh when jay allen heineck and

2724
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,679
whoever else left there he went back

2725
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:14,159
to the spot dug out the rock did you

2726
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,280
ever hear this story

2727
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:17,199
i heard that there was some physical

2728
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:18,400
traces left over

2729
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:21,440
yeah so it had like a metal uh

2730
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:24,719
filing a metal you know uh

2731
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:26,639
it was actually on the rock like a

2732
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:27,760
scrape

2733
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,880
and there was actually material

2734
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,840
he brought this in i um i want to say

2735
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,440
goddard now i'm not really sure

2736
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,360
that's right where he lives now right

2737
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:38,800
next to there

2738
01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:41,280
but he brought it in you know trusting

2739
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,480
that someone

2740
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:45,199
would just take he was very specific

2741
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:45,520
just

2742
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,920
remove a small part of this and please

2743
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,280
leave the rest on

2744
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:51,440
um he never got anywhere he found he

2745
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,639
ended up getting the rock back

2746
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:54,840
completely clean

2747
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:57,119
yeah which is the same shame because

2748
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:57,760
there

2749
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,800
and you're right

2750
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,960
you know i've never heard a negative

2751
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,719
word about lonnie zamora

2752
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:07,040
nope they never did nope he's pretty

2753
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,800
young at the time i think he was like 20

2754
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,400
in his 20s

2755
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,400
i don't recall exactly what his age was

2756
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,920
but yeah you're right

2757
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,840
the integrity of that particular

2758
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,679
gentleman was never questioned

2759
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,840
right as a matter of fact it's one that

2760
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,520
jay allen heineck

2761
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:24,320
said you know he really believed in this

2762
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,760
one all the way through

2763
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:28,320
and yep and and what you're what you're

2764
01:36:32,390 --> 01:36:28,960
this is

2765
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,400
one where now all

2766
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,080
a lot of people speculate it was our own

2767
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:36,400
technology so just have a and

2768
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:38,320
i wonder what you think about that but

2769
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,600
secondly these

2770
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,000
beings supposedly were very small they

2771
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:44,080
were very small stature correct now

2772
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,480
one thing i will say is that this thing

2773
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,719
happened within a stone's throw of white

2774
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,239
sands missile range

2775
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,600
that there could be a connection there

2776
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:53,760
but if you look on the map we're looking

2777
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:54,480
at just

2778
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:57,920
literally a stone's throw away right

2779
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,199
and if they were testing you know

2780
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,880
some of the debunkers i know said it's a

2781
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,400
lunar module they were

2782
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:06,080
testing and that that doesn't make any

2783
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,239
sense at all but if they were actually

2784
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:10,800
testing something if this was a test

2785
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,600
equipment

2786
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,520
why would they have these little

2787
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,520
diminutive figures

2788
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:18,000
operating the craft i mean that that

2789
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,639
part

2790
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:21,119
wouldn't make sense in that scenario

2791
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:21,840
well plus

2792
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,719
before it departed it hovered for a

2793
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:25,920
little bit less than a minute

2794
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,800
silently and then it departed so we're

2795
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,880
not talking about you know just

2796
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:33,119
rocket liquid rockets here there's

2797
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:34,000
something else going

2798
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,199
on it's not just some liquid rocket

2799
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:38,560
powered lunar module there's

2800
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:40,080
something else going on here that we're

2801
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,600
not being told or

2802
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:43,520
or something else completely different

2803
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:44,639
than that but

2804
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,679
yes also it had this insignia that

2805
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,679
no one to my knowledge yet has been able

2806
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,239
to decipher what it was it was in red

2807
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:55,119
it was above this hatch and it looked

2808
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,440
like

2809
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:58,239
a tp with a slash mark and then a

2810
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:59,040
horizon

2811
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:01,199
above that no one has been able to

2812
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,400
decipher what that is

2813
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,560
to my knowledge now there's been a lot

2814
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,840
of controversy about that particular

2815
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:09,840
logo whatever you want to call it

2816
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:10,960
because they

2817
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:15,280
told loni zamora at the time

2818
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,560
we're going to say that it looked like

2819
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:18,560
this that's because they didn't want any

2820
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,679
copycat

2821
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:21,840
type of situation they wanted to really

2822
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,960
investigate it

2823
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,119
so i know there's you know ray stanford

2824
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,119
and a number of people have

2825
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:29,440
gone back and forth of what the original

2826
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:31,119
actually looked like

2827
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:33,520
and i know that ben moss is coming out

2828
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,400
with a book

2829
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,960
and supposedly he's going to have he's

2830
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:38,400
working with ray

2831
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:41,199
and uh it's supposed to have you know

2832
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:41,600
what

2833
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,679
was actually seen it seems like there

2834
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:45,440
was a lot of

2835
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:47,199
a lot of people causing a lot of problem

2836
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,480
about that one

2837
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,960
small detail on this case did you notice

2838
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:51,679
that

2839
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:54,960
a little bit yes yeah and and but

2840
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:57,760
it uh it's another really i mean i think

2841
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:59,840
it's one of the top cases myself it is

2842
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,639
one of the

2843
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:03,119
in fact it's in the uh the briefing

2844
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,320
document that was

2845
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,880
uh put together by don berliner antonio

2846
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:08,000
juneus

2847
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:11,280
this was handed to uh the rockefeller

2848
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,320
foundation

2849
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,840
they're the ones who funded that

2850
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,360
research so

2851
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:17,760
at the very least uh hillary clinton she

2852
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,840
knows about this bill clinton he knows

2853
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,360
about it so they're aware of it because

2854
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,280
they got a copy of that report

2855
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:25,840
yeah now i will tell this and i hope it

2856
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:26,320
doesn't

2857
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,000
upset some people because they want to

2858
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:30,480
see what ray stanford has

2859
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:33,760
um and ray is very careful about what he

2860
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,440
shares i was at his house in baltimore

2861
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:40,159
we actually visited goddard um his his

2862
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:40,880
wife

2863
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,159
uh was working there and uh got a tour

2864
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,760
through there it was really interesting

2865
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:47,840
but he showed me some pictures and he

2866
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,560
went back to the dynamite shack

2867
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,239
i think it was over a hundred days

2868
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,119
afterwards okay and wanted to take

2869
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:57,760
uh pictures of the area for research

2870
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,400
okay

2871
01:40:01,430 --> 01:40:00,639
so he snapped a bunch of pictures and

2872
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,440
then he had

2873
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,080
someone a friend or whatever stand over

2874
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:05,760
by the dynamite shack so they could get

2875
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,719
perspective

2876
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:08,800
just uh for the you know for a human

2877
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:09,840
figure

2878
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,880
and he uh was going through the

2879
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,639
different images and he showed me

2880
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,960
something while i was visiting him

2881
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,800
and uh even though this was a hundred

2882
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:20,239
some odd days later and this is what

2883
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:21,520
makes me think

2884
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:24,159
there could be a white sands connection

2885
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:26,239
i actually saw with my own eyes

2886
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:28,639
an image that he blew up and it looked

2887
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:30,560
like an egg-shaped

2888
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,040
uh vehicle hovering even with feet

2889
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,119
hanging down just like this

2890
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:37,360
image and it was not photoshopped this

2891
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:38,320
was an original

2892
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:41,840
picture from 1964 whenever this

2893
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:44,960
is that when that happened yes 1964. so

2894
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:47,760
he he has a photograph of an egg-shaped

2895
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,239
craft

2896
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,880
park in this vicinity i saw it with my

2897
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:51,840
not parked it was

2898
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:55,040
in the sky i saw this with my own eyes

2899
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,159
you know he uh he took an image in and

2900
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,080
he actually blew it up but it's as

2901
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,360
clear as a bell and he won't he

2902
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,199
he's he does not want to put it out in

2903
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,440
public and i hope uh you know

2904
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,119
i will probably get some email about

2905
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,520
that because uh people are upset that

2906
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,040
he's not sharing it he

2907
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:15,040
said eventually he's gonna let the whole

2908
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:16,560
thing out um

2909
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:19,440
you know he's uh he's pushing some age

2910
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,560
there right now

2911
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:22,480
and um so hopefully these things will

2912
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,600
he's got quite

2913
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:25,920
quite a file of things in quite uh a

2914
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:27,440
collection of videos that he's taking

2915
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,320
himself

2916
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,600
that's pretty interesting i spent a

2917
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,600
couple of days there and

2918
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,360
i gotta say that was the highlight

2919
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,639
seeing that picture

2920
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,639
so he was on the scene a hundred days

2921
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:37,920
after the event in 64

2922
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:41,199
right 100 some odd days yes wow and took

2923
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,000
that picture

2924
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:44,159
took a picture for prospect never even

2925
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:45,679
not noticed it until he was going

2926
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:46,000
through

2927
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:48,159
looking real carefully and then he saw

2928
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,520
something and then he blew it up and

2929
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,040
blew it up and

2930
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:53,920
that's what it was interesting wow that

2931
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:54,639
is

2932
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,199
okay so we got a couple minutes left

2933
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,880
here you want to go into another case

2934
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:00,639
yeah i think we can we can do one more

2935
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:03,520
here sure

2936
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:06,159
okay and again you know for the person

2937
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,960
listening

2938
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,320
it's going to be really worth it to

2939
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:10,159
check out this link i'll have

2940
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,880
these pictures will be there so this is

2941
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:14,239
1970

2942
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:18,400
finland there are two skiers

2943
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,040
that see this pink cloud in their

2944
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,560
location

2945
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:24,159
it gets closer and closer now this is

2946
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,440
documented in at least two different

2947
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:27,040
sources in my book i talk about the

2948
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:28,719
references as well

2949
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:31,520
uh this cloud parks over their location

2950
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,080
and they

2951
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,000
then they see this beam of light shine

2952
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,800
down and then there's this huge spark

2953
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,920
that takes place

2954
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,239
the next thing they know they see this

2955
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:42,080
small i'm gonna call it a garden gnome

2956
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,280
because that's what it looked like

2957
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,360
i'm not making up it's in the report

2958
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:47,440
this garden gnome that was about three

2959
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:48,000
feet tall

2960
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,199
small stature he was wearing a green

2961
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,520
one piece tight fitting suit he had

2962
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:55,520
green colored boots that were darker in

2963
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,159
color

2964
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:59,040
he had a cone-shaped hat he was carrying

2965
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,920
a box

2966
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,480
with what looked like a lens and he was

2967
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,800
moving the box on his chest from one

2968
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:06,239
side of the other like he was taking

2969
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,280
pictures

2970
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,600
of the two skiers and then there was

2971
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:11,520
another big

2972
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,960
bright spark and this being disappeared

2973
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,800
and then this dome that looked like a

2974
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:18,719
dansky's craft with the balls on the

2975
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,440
bottom

2976
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:21,360
this thing departed at a medium rate of

2977
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,880
speed and so this is

2978
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:24,880
back in 1970 in finland so we've got

2979
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,480
that case and that's been reported

2980
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,639
in fact we've got the original sketches

2981
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,719
and photographs of the two eyewitnesses

2982
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,000
as well

2983
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:35,040
yeah what a bizarre case bizarre just

2984
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:36,000
bizarre

2985
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,800
yeah yeah and adamski

2986
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:42,400
uh i don't know but i'm putting

2987
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:43,840
credibility on that i know

2988
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:47,119
it looks like that craft yeah how about

2989
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:47,520
that

2990
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,360
yeah we get a minute

2991
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,600
and a half here so let's sure let's just

2992
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,679
talk about where can someone find

2993
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,520
um this and these all these

2994
01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:59,679
illustrations and a lot more

2995
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:02,480
are in your in your uh book so where can

2996
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,520
someone get this

2997
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,840
yup the book is called dark files a

2998
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,280
pictorial history of

2999
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:09,360
lost forgotten and obscure ufo

3000
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,320
encounters

3001
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:13,199
it's available as a kindle downloadable

3002
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:13,679
file

3003
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,000
on amazon right now so just put in dark

3004
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:17,679
files my name and it'll pop

3005
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,800
right up that's great and um you know i

3006
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,760
gotta say

3007
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,920
um i this is the first time you've been

3008
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:25,760
on the show i have to say that i really

3009
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,560
appreciate your

3010
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:29,440
your hard work sure and i'm glad that uh

3011
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,000
you know

3012
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:32,320
people will contact you and you are in

3013
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,119
these uh

3014
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:36,239
you know different shows about the topic

3015
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:36,880
because you

3016
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,000
you take it serious and um

3017
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:41,840
just uh you know we have less than a

3018
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:43,199
minute but i'm just wondering what you

3019
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,159
think about

3020
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:46,080
most triangle ufos that people are

3021
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,520
seeing today do you think they're our

3022
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:49,280
technology

3023
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:53,760
the vast majority now i'm going to leave

3024
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,639
it open

3025
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,400
but if you go to david marlar's

3026
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,679
collection

3027
01:45:02,070 --> 01:45:00,719
he's got a whole series on triangles and

3028
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,080
a lot of them have those same

3029
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:04,239
repeating patterns that we've seen in

3030
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:06,080
the cases that we've examined today some

3031
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,199
of those same

3032
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,760
type patterns appear in the triangle

3033
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,880
craft as well

3034
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:13,040
wow well i don't know what to say about

3035
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,480
that i don't know for sure

3036
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:17,360
it's uh i don't think we'll know right

3037
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:19,040
away but we may you never know

3038
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,480
thank you so much it's been a real

3039
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,400
pleasure thank you martin thank you

3040
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:24,000
all right all right everyone so we're

3041
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:25,440
going to be back next week we can give

3042
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,840
don

3043
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:28,080
schmidt another chance because uh you

3044
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:29,520
know he faded away

3045
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,119
uh on a lightning struck a transformer

3046
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,719
hopefully that won't happen again so

3047
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:36,480
he'll be with us next week

3048
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:38,480
thanks so much for uh listening and

3049
01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:39,679
remember to keep your eyes